Тим Ловенхопт — Книга 1: Совершенство мудрости, занятие 13

[Speaker 2]
Oh, hi. Sorry. It's more awkward.

We missed you. Thank you. Likewise.

Yeah, I look forward to seeing the new place. Yeah. Oh my God, my coffee.

I'll be right back.

[Speaker 1]
My God, my coffee. You can take that if you want. It's a few different ways.

My coffee, my God. I think that one has an inherent meaning. It works.

A positive, I guess is what we said. No God, no coffee. Dharma yoga teacher.

No coffee, no God.

[Speaker 2]
No God, thus coffee.

[Speaker 1]
That's very French. What do you call those guys? The existentialists.

That's it. No, God, but coffee. You play a good Frenchman.

No offense to any Frenchman. Hey, what's that supposed to mean? It didn't mean nothing.

Yeah. Cameron, do you have any cousins in New York? Not that I know of.

I got some good friends with the same last name as you. Really? I mean, I've never really met anyone else with my last name.

So that's interesting. Other than my family. Yeah.

How do they pronounce it? I'm just curious. No, I'm just kidding.

Bar, just bar. Yeah. It's got like a little accent on the end.

Maybe. Yeah. Like Cajun French.

I'm from Louisiana. I mean, I don't like speak Cajun French, but my family, grandparents and stuff. Yeah.

The only time I was in the U S. And I couldn't understand them was in Louisiana. And I was like, you guys speak in Cajun.

And they're like, no. Yeah. My dad has a friend.

Growing up. Like he not speaking Cajun French, but he speaks just like crazy, like Cajun, like Louisiana talk. Yeah.

Yeah. Took one of them swamp tours at one time. Oh, yeah.

Text. I think I'm awesome. Hey, everybody.

My coffee, my God. Come on. I'm going to get mine.

[Speaker 2]
I love the dog in the background following Nick out. He's unsure of his setting still, but he knows Nick.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Follow that guy. Nick. For God's sake.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, Hey, my shirt is tucked in.

[Speaker 2]
Better.

[Speaker 1]
Was that convincing? You shouldn't be tucked in. Okay.

Oh, come on. I always tuck in my shirt for the whole term. I've been wearing a full suit with shoes.

It's not like.

[Speaker 2]
Slang for being drunk. You know, Nick, you've stood up more than once during this term. So you can't pull that over on us.

Bring it on, Tim.

[Speaker 1]
My shirts tucked in.

[Speaker 2]
I'm not scared. Just ignorant.

[Speaker 1]
All right, here we go. So we had. This is a hard question.

I don't understand it completely. So that's why I'm asking you. So we have this reason given.

That means that it's because the jewel, the realizations, the classical commentary. And innovator of the middle way school. All right.

And it continues with the following line. Okay. They, they shouldn't.

So soon. You're fine. Kind of that the day is pay is highlighted.

Because we went over a potential miss carving. Using the day. Okay.

Okay. We're going to try. We're going to try to suss this out here.

And if you can understand what this means. Okay. So the first question is.

What is the. Firstly, what is the difference in reference between the day and the day? So if you were translating this, when you're looking at the reference.

The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. What's the, what did they refer to in a different.

[Speaker 2]
The correct answer is it's ambiguous.

[Speaker 1]
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We don't know it was ambiguous, which was the correct one.

[Speaker 2]
It's by Lord. Who belongs to the middle way or Lord. The person who belongs to the middle way or a person.

[Speaker 1]
That would be an interesting. I think that's an interpretation, but I'm specifically referring grammatically. That and that's.

That's correct. So what is that? That's.

Refer. You're asking, what is the reference in this case? Not.

Linguistically. Right. I'm asking what it means.

Like, okay. So when you say. What is it?

What does it refer? You're saying. Is there a different of what the team means with or without the.

Referred to. Come on. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. And what's it in translation for the, for everybody else?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, the jewel of realization.

[Speaker 1]
So the first one. The first day there refers to the jewel of realization. And then.

With the Janet. The second one down here. What does that refer to?

Yeah. Nice. The jewel of realizations, middle way author.

Or innovator. That's too long. Too long.

Oh, no, man. Okay. No, it's.

Yeah. It's still the taste still means the jewel of realization. I agree with word.

And I think he's saying it means the jewel of realization, apostrophe S. No, it means. Yeah.

I'm up. No. Author.

Oh, Yeah. The middle layer. Oh, Good.

That makes sense that it would mean that because it says tension after the key. To refer to. Right, right, right.

At the end of the day, we decided that. It was. It's potentially.

It probably is in this carving, but there's something interesting. If it weren't in this carving. All right.

So. That's the first thing. Good job.

Nice. All right. What is the difference in.

And what's the subtle. What's the subtle. Possible point.

A car with their microphone. I. I am.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
I mean, it seems like it is suggesting that if. Something is. A.

Oh, if it's you're saying, if it's not a carving arrow. Yeah. If someone's an innovator, are they an innovator of the middle way?

Necessarily.

[Speaker 1]
Right. Right. Because chunks of Papa is part of the definition.

Right. That's it. Right.

In the first way, Ben, correct. The tape would mean. If you're an innovator.

It means you must be an innovator of the middle way. Right. And then what's the second meeting.

And I know it's, it's hard. I spent an hour and a half on it.

[Speaker 2]
You are an innovator who is part of the group. Of the middle way.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. Yeah. Right.

And it's a classical commentary. There would be a classical commentary in the middle way. Which would be incorrect.

Because our song is not an innovator middle way, but rather. Yeah, good. Yeah.

He's a little way innovator, but not an innovator.

[Speaker 2]
Isn't he though.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. If you're a junk. If you're a junction Papa, you can still be.

No. Because. Because.

My only school is a Mahayana school. You can represent the. The mind only school, but you can't belong to.

[Speaker 2]
Shouldn't a word be correct from the perspective of non-stop. Which is lower middle way and accepts that a mind only person would see mind only emptiness.

[Speaker 1]
Now that's a good question. But that doesn't seem to be where our author is going. He didn't.

He didn't specifically say. You know. He said.

Yeah. Okay. Seems to want us.

Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Oh, but it doesn't. Yeah.

Right. Okay. Can can include.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. But if he didn't specifically say. He probably meant.

Higher. That's what I'm saying. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Even though this book is from the wrong. Perspective, in which case. On Dupa would be exactly what is meant by middle way.

What else could possibly mean middle way from the perspective of a non-stop mind. So in the case of Ron Gupa, would they assert that name for us for a subschool they don't accept.

[Speaker 1]
They talk about James. Don't they.

[Speaker 2]
But they sure as heck would never call them. They would never assert the name of their own school. As the system they don't agree with.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, So, yes, I guess there was no third turning of the wheel. She cheered. Okay, let's continue.

All right. I mean, maybe Ben, because I thought about this question for a little bit too, maybe we're trying to establish that Arya Sangha is a middle-weyer in his heart, and then we're trying to understand that first to then say that, okay, then he's writing on these other schools. Honestly, if that's not one of the main points of this whole book, then why would we study it in the topic of Parchin, which belongs to the lower middle way?

Yeah, that's a good question. That's a good question. We'll hold on to that.

We'll find out in 30 years. Okay. So we just actually answered this question already, but now it's here again.

If we consider Arya Sangha an innovator of the mind, only school must we consider him to be a samsampa. Yeah. Just because he's a mind only innovator doesn't mean he's samsampa.

Exactly. Okay. Oops, sorry.

We already did it. Okay. Cool.

All right. Good job, Ward. That was clearer than I said it.

All right. Before we go here, Stanley, are you there? Uh-oh.

Don't wake him up. Stanley, this question is for you. Wait, how many powers were present in your mind at that moment?

My life is still here. And this question is potentially worth $4.2 million. Finally, some serious money.

Okay. Who else? Potentially being the key word there.

Right, thank you, yes. Who else during Arya Sangha's time period would we consider middle way, but maybe it looks a little different in their presentation? Masubandhu?

Okay. Everyone rejoice, yay. Yes?

Wait, but why? Why? Well, okay, I mean, the joke here a little bit is who is, how are the two related?

Only halfway. Right, they're half brothers. And I mean, do we consider Master Vasubandhu to be an Abhidharmist?

Yeah, no, but I don't think he's considered Arya. I didn't say he was an Arya. I just said he was a follower of the middle way.

[Speaker 2]
A follower, so he's not a middle way-er.

[Speaker 1]
I would say he's a middle way-er, but I didn't say he was an Arya. How about that? I feel like from this commentary to see gangsters, he feels like a mix of a middle way and a minority.

Yeah. But that must be his true identity, I don't know. We don't know for sure.

Cool. That's for you, Stanley, to rejoice and they get $4.2 million. Yay, hopefully.

All right, here's some Tibetan words, gondrel. What I really meant, Sutra, or the thought I've really commented on. No, I'm commenting on the truth here.

Yeah. Right. All right, cool.

And then, what do these three words mean? And then what do they refer to? Nice homework question.

Big, medium, little. Oh, ge jing du. Yeah, oh, big and middle.

And?

[Speaker 2]
Is there?

[Speaker 1]
There's three. There's three words. Small.

[Speaker 2]
Ge jing du. Well, yeah, the big, medium, little. Yum, the mother, the perfection of wisdom.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, and how many verses are traditionally in each? We're gonna cover that today. I think we're gonna read.

You mentioned. I did. Don't know.

Let me go see. 10,000, 20,000, 30,000. 100,000, yeah.

This is what you said it was. This should be 100,000, yeah. 100,000, yes, that's what I meant.

That's good. I believe that I would have told you all something today. Okay, cool.

Cool. Yay. And now, for his translation.

All right, here we go. Ka chik ngun do geng gi she jay do. You know what I'm gonna make some of that?

If there is a teacher who's playing this, I'm not gonna be in it, you know what I mean? Ngun do geng gi she jay. That's how we do it in the cup.

Yeah, this she jay is tricky. It doesn't mean the explainer. It means explained by the ngun do geng.

Okay. Okay, so if a sutra is a teaching, which is clarified by the Jewel of Realizations, if a sutra is a teaching which is clarified by the Jewel of Realizations, it must be the primary sutra which is clarified by the Jewel of Realizations. If a sutra is clarified by a sangdha, it must be the main sutra he clarified.

That's the other guy's position. So, what do we have to find for a counterexample? A sutra which he did clarify, which was not the main.

Okay, that's all. Okay. And there's like a gazillion of those.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, there shouldn't be any sutras not qualified.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. There's a clarification, the name is always the primary. Yeah, good.

All right. And let's look at the second sentence. This is a little bit off now, but sure.

Consider the first turn of the wheel. Denshi Jinko. Yeah, on the four inches, or about the four inches, right?

Are you saying it's the primary text? Yeah, I suppose it's a primary sutra which is explained by the Jewel of Realizations, right? Yeah, Realizations.

Yeah. No first turning here, though. This actually says, well, I'll tell you something.

Kat Dambo means the first teaching ever given by the Buddha, here, to the... To whom? The five disciples.

To the five cubs, four cubs and mama. Okay, so I suppose the first teaching, I would translate it as first teaching. So I suppose that the first teaching of the Buddha karma, which was, in which he turned the wheel related to the four...

It's really simple. It's the primary text. Why would you say that?

Well, because it's a text which is explained by the Jewel of Realizations. Geshe-la, where do you get primary to modified text? Tsawa Tsawa, up here.

Tsawa Tsawa. Oh, that's up there. Yep.

In what we just... In the Kat Dambo Denshi Chikor Chechen. Oh, yeah.

It's implied in the DER TAL. Are you saying it's a DOR DO?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, and then what? DER TAL DOR YIN PAS PHYIR And then I didn't know what to do with it, so I stopped. It is too a text which is explained by the Jewel of Realizations.

Because it's a sutra. Because it is a sutra. And that's what I got.

What's the implication there? Saying it's because the Jewel of Realizations explains all sutras? Yeah.

The Jewel of Realizations Arya Sangha is addressing every single sutra ever spoken.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that's nice.

[Speaker 1]
You would think any accurate teaching should. And that's what the next sentence says, by the way. And then, GYAL TE means he said my GYAL.

So in Italics, you would say, just because something is a sutra, doesn't mean it was explained by the Jewel of Realizations. Yeah, good. And then we say it does too.

Okay. And then we say, comma, space, space. Two spaces?

Yeah, two. No, not a comma. No, it does too, comma.

Carries your turn, carries your turn. Carries your turn? Emma, Papa, anybody?

It was presented, this presentation sets forth in an abbreviated way. It sets forth, comma, in an abbreviated way, comma, the meaning of the entire teachings of the Able One, comma, without leaving a single one out. Is that the double negative, Geshe-la, Matsangma Rinpoche?

Yeah, exactly. Without leaving a single one out. Okay.

It means in their entirety, yeah. So he's claiming that the subject matter of the Jewel of Realizations is every sutra that Buddha ever taught. But he didn't say it's sorry.

Not the main topic. He didn't say it was the main one. He just said they were in general what he was talking about.

Yeah. Yeah, without leaving a single one out. Okay, here we go.

All right, cool. So then he says, I don't agree that the Jewel of Realizations presents the meaning of every single teaching that Buddha ever gave without leaving any out. And we say that how?

It does so, present the meaning of every single teaching, sutra that Buddha ever spoke about. Because, okay, it teaches, how many? One, two, three.

Yeah, because its main, its main job, roughly, okay, is to teach ngo ngepa, drang ngepa, koray ngepa, three ngepas. Okay? The specific, the fixed essence, comma, the fixed number, and the fixed order of the levels of realization, ngupa topa, for disciples of all three tracts.

Wow. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. It would be no, no, no question. That's true.

Okay, good. Now we got to go back and find our first tell. Probably in the first part, the very first section.

Probably... Oh yeah, good. Then, okay, then I change my answer.

Who says that? The other guy. He says, back where you asked your sarcastic question, okay, yeah, I agree that the first teaching of the Buddha is the primary text which the Jewel of Realizations explains.

I agree. I agree that the first teaching Lord Buddha ever gave on the Four Truths is indeed the first, is indeed the primary sutra covered by the Jewel of Realizations. Now we're not talking covered by, we're talking about primarily covered by, okay.

And what do you guys, can you guess, can you guess what he's going to say? Why did he choose that example of the first teaching, not the first turning of the wheel, the first teaching that Lord Buddha gave? Not the main subject of the book.

You want a clue? Is it Hinayana or Mahayana? Hinayana.

Yeah, Hinayana, yeah. That's where it's going. It cannot be the main book explained by the Jewel of Realizations because it's Hinayana.

But it is a teaching of the Buddha, so it is covered by the Jewel of Realizations. But it's not the main thing it covers because it's Hinayana, okay? There we go.

I agree that the First Teaching of the Buddha which he covered with, really related to the First Teaching of the Buddha is a text primarily covered by the Jewel of Realizations. So, sawar duna, if you do agree, and then that's out of italics, yeah, commas, return, return. Then, are you saying then that it's a...

It's a Mahayana sutra. Mahayana sutra, question mark? By the way, did the tail go up or not?

It went down. Yeah, sarcastic. Sarcastic goes down.

Well, then I guess it's a Mahayana sutra. Why would you say that? He says...

Yeah. He says, teacher. Then he says, why do you say that?

And we say, because you agreed to, you agreed that it was that, meaning the main teaching covered by, explained by the Jewel of Realizations, okay? Good. Then, this du refers to the most recent tell.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, fine, it is Mahayana.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. And then he says, in italics, he says, yeah, you know, I changed my answer. It is a Mahayana sutra.

The first teaching ever given by Lord Buddha was a Mahayana teaching. And then out of italics, you can't agree to that. Because?

Because it's a sutra of the Hinayana. Yeah, it's a Hinayana sutra. It's a Hinayana, it's a sutra of the lower way.

Now, this response here is, I think, pretty much illegal. It is discouraged in a debate ground. Yeah, it sure is a sutra of the lower way.

That tail going up. Not sarcastic. It is too a sutra of the lower way, because it's what I gave as a subject to talk about.

It's something like, it's just a... Everybody knows. Yeah, I don't like this, I think it's sloppy.

Okay. This is a famous criticism, a famous Sanskrit scholar used to give. It's sloppy.

Sloppy. Okay, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
60 Verses, Chechen, right? I guess 60 Verses can't be a Mahayana book because it comments on the sutras of the lower way.

[Speaker 1]
This is not a debate about whether the jewel is a Mahayana book or not.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, but why couldn't the jewel be a commentary on a lower way book?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's a good question. He didn't answer that. He didn't answer that.

Yeah, he just assumed it. That's correct, he didn't answer. All right, here we go.

We're ready to start. I feel lazy now. I think the adrenaline comes off, right, Nate?

Yep. About yesterday afternoon. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I started wandering around my house and doing laundry and stuff like that. Instead of throwing it in the corner and telling my wife I'm busy. Okay.

I'm sorry, the subject of the debate was the first teaching of the Buddha in which he turned the wheel. By the way, it wasn't. The four are your truths.

Not that it was middle way or lower way or any way. Well, no, the point was his first teaching was lower way, given to the five disciples, Caudenya, et cetera. Okay, please read.

You can choose somebody to check you or you can choose somebody to read and you can relax. All right. Bertha, how about you read?

Bertha Velasco. Oh, I'd love to, thank you. What?

[Speaker 2]
I've never heard anyone say that.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Kachik nyung to gyan gi she jay. Tek cheng gi do yin na.

[Speaker 2]
Nyung to gyan gi she biat sa wey do yin pey kyab ser na.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Excuse me, yin?

[Speaker 1]
Yin pey kyab.

[Speaker 2]
Ah, yin pey kyab.

[Speaker 1]
Six. Okay, good. Now the guy changes his story.

If something is a tek cheng do, which is the she jay of the Mundong King. Yeah, so if something's the Sutra of the Mahayana. Yeah, if something is a Mahayana Sutra, which is explained in that book, by that book, then it must be the Tsawwe book it explains.

Then it must be the primary text that is explained by the dual realization. What kind of counterexample are we looking for? It's a tek cheng.

It's Mahayana text. Yeah, but it's not the main book that he's coming from. So we got to dig around and find a Mahayana book which is not the main one he was explaining.

And here's a beautiful example. Here's a counterexample, it's coming up. All right, Rivas, can you read?

We just ordered a counterexample. Okay, here we go. Ona, gong trel gi yam shu ki leo.

Jam, jam. Jam shu ki leo i nang tsen du gyur pey. Chom den bem ting den sing gi shu yu gi tsuk nyam ni sem la ta de pa shi gi yam ta de pa ma la shi gi jam pe.

[Speaker 2]
Jam pa.

[Speaker 1]
Jam pa ta de pa ma yin shi gi yo shi pey du chu chen der tal de chi. Ter chen. Ter chen, der tal de chi.

Did you go up or did you go up or down?

[Speaker 2]
I didn't hear it.

[Speaker 1]
Ter chen. Der tal. Yeah?

By the way, when you give it a counterexample, then the tal is probably going to go sarcastic or you believe it? You believe it. No, the counterexample is what you don't believe.

Oh. It's going to go down, der tal. Are you telling me it's the main thing that he wanted to comment on?

Why do you say that? Because it's a Mahayana sutra. Well, why is that followed?

Because you just said a goddamn Mahayana sutra had to be what it was taught. Yeah, okay, any Mahayana sutra. Okay, so what's do, de, gong, do?

What I really said? San, do you know what chapter? And there's a chapter requested by Champa.

I think it's, I'm not sure, but I think it's Maitreya. And if I remember, there's 10 chapters. Each one is based on a question that was asked by the Buddha.

The chapter that interests most people is the one where they said, well, you're complaining now about the second turning of the wheel, so which one is real? That's the most famous chapter. But there are nine other chapters, I believe, and nine other ones in front of us.

So, shupe lu, nang sen means included into. Usually it means a member of a set. Like, if you take all the stuff on this table, the cell phone is a nang sen, of all the stuff on this table.

A member of a set, okay? So, let's consider the part which is a component of that chapter. chung dren de, or O conquer, ting ngen dzin gyi chu yu kyi suk ngen ni This is tough.

The suk ngen, which is the chu yu of the ting ngen dzin, of ting ngen dzin. The suk ngen, which is the chu yu of ting ngen dzin. What's that mean?

The the reflection, which is the activities of concentration is the reflection, which is the object of meditation. Okay. Is that and by the way, I object to the use of la with tade.

Tade means separate from, and it should say le. Okay, it shouldn't say this. Sometimes they say la, I don't like it.

You can either say le or in the older texts, you can say dum. Okay, and in fact, he has misquoted the sutra. The sutra doesn't say la.

The sutra says de dang tade, which is clear. Okay, which means separate from da. Okay.

The la is not clear. Okay. So anyway, chung du de ting ngen zin gyi chu yul gyi suk ngen, let's consider the reflection, which means the understanding of a mirage or an illusion, the illusion, the illusion, which is the object of your deep meditation.

Is it tade from the stem or not? Is it separate from the mind? Yeah, is it separate from the mind or not?

Is that illusion part of the mind or is that illusion separate from the mind? And the gyi am means, do you say? Who?

Do you say it's separate? Or do you say it's not separate? The opponent.

Who's the opponent? Lord Buddha. So, so is the illusion, which is the object of deep meditation, is the illusion itself separate from the mind or gyi am tade pa mayin?

Or is it not separate? Which one is it? And Lord Buddha says, he's, but by the way, the she gyi means, what do you say?

And then Buddha answers, she gyi. What I say is it's not separate. Yeah, it's not separate from the mind.

And this is evocative here, right? Chabu is speaking directly.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, good. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I say, Oh, loving one, it's not separate from the mind. Okay. Now, let's consider that, though.

Now that doesn't mean a whole sutra. It just means, let's consider those words from sutra. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
That, are you saying, main thing clarified by the Ngutuk Yen?

[Speaker 1]
Are you saying this is the main topic of the realizations? Because it is a Mahayana sutra. Okay, it is a Mahayana sutra.

Are you saying it's the main thing that the Jewel of Realizations clarifies? Okay. And, and we say, well, why do you say that?

And he says, well, well, it is, it is a Mahayana sutra after all. So isn't the main thing that Asanga is talking about? Or Maitreya?

Okay. It's a pretty good example, because it is Maitreya. Yeah, same author.

And here's the they don't have the book, which I greatly prefer the Buddhist version. Okay. Separate from that.

Okay. Please read. All right.

Who's here? Oscar?

[Speaker 2]
Yes. Should I read? Yes, please.

Okay. Take their top tail.

[Speaker 1]
Up or down? Going up means we believe it. Going down is we don't believe it.

We just, somebody just gave what I really meant, as an example of a Mahayana sutra. Are we going to say that how it is to a Mahayana sutra? Are we going to say that?

Are you? Are you telling me it's a Mahayana sutra? We're going up.

[Speaker 2]
We're going up.

[Speaker 1]
All the Austrians in the room voting. Take their tail.

[Speaker 2]
Mahayana sutra, because Gunthorpe, Yankee, Samson, Peita, Peita, Wachick, Tenla, Papaichir, Papaichir.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Sorry. Is it?

I guess he's saying it was it explained primarily by the, or is it? Is it explained by the jewel of realizations? And we say yes, it is.

Because the jewel of realizations does Tenla Peppa, a Tawa of the Sentenpas. That's the view of the Mahayana. But the key word here is cheap.

A presents only A view. Okay. Like maybe there's only one, you know, okay.

Okay. So we say, I don't see where the jewel of realizations presents even a view of the, of the Mahayana school. And he says, Earl, what does he say?

I'm sorry, we say that, huh? So yeah. That town with a question mark is in a unique American, third kind of town.

Good. I want to read backwards from Tongyi. Cool.

It sets forth, Tongyi. Emptiness. In the sense of something being tomba.

Empty. Empty of, which in Tibetan has to be empty by, okay, of a object and its subject, which are made of different stuff. Because the blue is made of cushions.

Okay, got it. All right. Okay, so so the jewel of realizations does set forth at least one viewpoint, which is mine only viewpoint, because it does set forth the idea of emptiness in the sense of things being empty of a blue, which is not the same stuff as the perceiver.

All right, and then he says, I don't think so. I don't remember that. Okay, and we say that, huh?

And here's here, we're going to learn something very useful. Earl, do you want to keep going? You only got a little short sentence.

And we believe it. I'm just telling you we believe it. So tell.

Dave, I'm guilty. Lamshe Peh Lamshe Chikten Lapape Chir. Yeah.

Now you got to know Sheshe Lamshe Namkhyamse. Say Sheshe. Sheshe.

These are three extraordinary states of mind, which are the main subject matter. Do you remember what Lamshe is? Namkhyamse, you know, it's the path of omniscience.

Then the second chapter of the eight chapters is devoted to Lamshe. Of the path, which is a code word in lower middle way for direct perception emptiness. Sorry, direct perception emptiness by someone on the Mahayana.

Okay. Okay. Direct perception of emptiness by somebody on the Mahayana in the lower middle way is called knowledge of the path.

Okay. And then the direct perception of emptiness, which is not called emptiness at that point, selflessness by a person who's who's on a hila path is called Sheshe foundational knowledge. Okay, so you got Sheshe Lamshe Namkhyamse.

These are three of the important topics of the Semankar. How does the Buddha see emptiness? How does someone on the path of seeing Mahayana path of seeing emptiness?

How does a person on the lower track? Okay, because they all see selflessness. And then here's where you get into say, Dangmei?

Chara Chara Su Su Okay, the flavors of emptiness. Okay. And that's what that teaching that I gave.

What was it called? Six Flavors of Emptiness?

[Speaker 2]
Whatever.

[Speaker 1]
That was based on this teaching. DE RANG RGYAL GYI LAM SHES PA'I LAM SHES CIG RTEN LO BHAG PA'I PHYIR The Jewel of Realizations does set forth the concept of path knowledge, which is direct perception of things by bodhisattva. Okay.

Which knows the path of a of a conqueror of a of a of a of a RANG RGYAL Okay. So a bodhisattva path of seeing emptiness, which understands how people on a lower track see emptiness. Okay.

All right. Okay. So that's supposed to be equivalent to this mind-only view.

How those self-made Buddhas see emptiness is supposed to be equivalent to the way that the mind-only school describes seeing emptiness, which is that the blue and the perceiver of the blue are not made of something separate. Okay, cool. Now you learn something heavy, which is that when you talk about flavors of emptiness in the lower middle way and kind of in the mind-only school, one of those flavors is how the mind-only school explains emptiness.

Okay. And then that in the lower middle way, that's considered emptiness for dummies. Okay, so lower emptiness.

Easier to see. Easier to see. It's easier to see that blue is not separate from the mind than it is to see that nothing has any nature of its own, or that nothing is itself, which is the higher emptiness.

Okay, cool. So can we say that the Jewel of Realization teaches mind-only? Sure.

Yeah, it teaches the mind-only deeper. Yeah. Is that its primary subject matter?

Wow. Let's go. Yeah.

Yeah, here we go. Okay, please figure out who's going to read it first. How about Flavia, are you there?

No, Flavia.

[Speaker 2]
But I can read.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, you can read. Of course you can read. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
What do you want me to invent?

[Speaker 1]
Start right here. Invent something. Sour.

[Speaker 2]
Sar-peh-dot-na. Sar-peh-dot-na.

[Speaker 1]
I think that's the vegan pronunciation.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry. Good.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, good. Not bad. If you agree to our first statement, which is, yes, I agree that this teaching on how the mind-only school explains emptiness is, is one of the primary topics, the jewel of realizations, I do agree that it's one of the primary topics covered.

Okay, that presentation is one of the topics we say, well, then I guess it's a share of the power to change. And I guess it's the sutra, the perfection of wisdom. Yeah, I guess it's one of those perfection of wisdom sutras.

What's it? The what I really meant. Okay.

All right. So kind of what he's saying is, oh, so I guess what I really meant was the second turning of the wheel when Buddha got into the perfection of wisdom in the in the diamond cutter, in the 100,000 verses in the 15,000 days and 25,000 verses, 8000 verses, briefer presentation, Heart Sutra, then comes together. I guess.

Oh, I guess it's one of those sutras, right? And the guy said, Well, wait a minute, why do you why do you say, to me, that it must have been one of those perfection of wisdom sutras from the second turning up? So you're the one who agreed.

What did he agree to? He agreed that it was the primary sutra covered by the by the jewel of realizations. What was the primary sutra?

The main sutra, the third teaching, the third turning of the wheel, which is not perfection of wisdom, which is against perfection of wisdom. So it's a great example. Okay.

Oh, so I guess, I guess the sutra where Buddha, what do you call it? When you when you give up a political party you used to follow? Renounce?

Yeah. Yeah, I guess the sutra where the Buddha renounced the perfection of wisdom, is the perfection of wisdom, right? Why?

The sutras where Lord Buddha renounced the perfection of wisdom. Perfectionism sutras, I guess. Why?

Because they're what the perfect what the jewel of realization is mainly talking about. Okay. Is the third turning of the wheel talked about by the jewel of realizations?

Yes. Yeah, it is. It's a teaching of Lord Buddha.

But is it mainly talked about? And we say no. Because why?

Because it's not a perfection of wisdom sutra. Okay, you good? Yep.

Okay. And by the way, we say, oh, I guess the third, I guess this third turning of the wheel famous sutra, the one that defined the 13th wheel is a perfection of wisdom sutra, and he says, Oh, okay, I agree. It is.

Then we say, here we go, Tim. Tim, you can translate it. Yeah, you can't goddamn tell me it's a perfection of wisdom sutra.

It's a sense of it though. Because it's a sutra, it's a minority sutra. Yeah, it's a minority sutra.

Therefore, it's not one of the primary sutras treated by the jewel of realization, but it certainly is true. You pick a victim, Tim, this is the fun part of Dr. Chen. We're waking up Singapore.

Good morning. Okay, I'll drink coffee. Oh, am I reading?

Hey, standing, standing. Can you get tea, coffee in Singapore? Uh, what?

Sorry? Coffee in Singapore. Yes, we can.

I'm not. We can arrange why you're not awake. Okay, go ahead.

I'm reading. Okay. Kajik.

Moon thought. Yeah. Again, key.

[Speaker 2]
Shep J.

[Speaker 1]
sharp wave though in bay s Munich I sure wish we had that st. Petersburg version we have to struggle with so I wish you had some relations okay okay somebody says now this is cute. He says now if something is a shared chelsea dog if it is the Sutra of the Perfection of Wisdom, which is explained by the Jewel of Realization, then it surely must be one of the main sutras explained by the Jewel of Realization.

Why do you say that? He'll say, look, if something is a Perfection of Wisdom Sutra, then it is the primary sutra, it is one of the primary sutras covered by the Jewel of Realization. And we say, well then, Omar, please read, because this is funny, I want you to get it.

All right, laughing already. SHER CHEN GYI GYI CHUG MA CHO CHEN, DER THAO Wait, you gave up or down? I went down, DER THAO.

Yeah, okay, sarcastic, sarcastic. DER THAO DER THAO DER THAO Yeah, are you telling me, let's take GYI GYI GYI CHUG MA for $100. GYI GYI GYI CHUG MA I'll take a single letter of the Perfection of Wisdom.

50 bucks each for the two deaths. Yay.

[Speaker 2]
Mic was off, meh.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and our response is, let's consider the Perfection of Wisdom Sutra in a single syllable. By the way, there's no letter here, Brian, but in a single syllable, okay? Are you saying it's a primary text commented on by the Jewel of Realizations?

What's there to say about it? Okay, does it cover that, okay? Primarily, whatever.

I thought you'd like to see the whole sutra, because the main sutra is like one sentence long. And if you want to impress your friends at cocktail parties, mocktail parties, you can say, I can recite a whole Perfection of Wisdom Sutra. You know, I have memorized the whole Perfection of Wisdom Sutra.

And then just memorize this one, okay? Just for fun. It's too long, but anyway.

And they're all sitting around, they're sitting somewhere comfortable. There's billions of students there. Hey, Ananda, you want to learn a cute sutra?

Yes. I'll teach it to you. Ah.

Is it ohm or ah? I don't remember. Yeah, ah.

It's ah. It's like A, B, C. What do you say in Russian the first thing we talk about?

You call it ah? Yeah. Take ah.

Hey, you guys want to know a good Perfection of Wisdom Sutra? Yeah, ah. And that's quite deep.

We talked about it a lot in the medicine book. Okay, but anyway, if you want to say you memorized a sutra, and you want to impress your friends, you can say, I can recite an entire Perfection of Wisdom Sutra. You don't have to tell them what it is.

It's the kind of thing I do. All right. Is it over time?

Yes.

[Speaker 2]
Three minutes over.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so that guy said, if something is a Perfection of Wisdom Sutra, it must be the main topic of the Samantabha. And we say, well, not necessarily, because there's a Perfection of Wisdom Sutra that's not mainly covered, because it's just a single sound. All right, cool.

All right, I went and found that one long ago, because I wanted to memorize it. Stop here. 28?

28, yep. Yeah, turn. Hey, there's my good friend.

Turn three, sorry, turn 17, Bill. Stop. Okay, congratulations, Tim.

You survived the whole turn. It's getting interesting. Not yet.

Yeah, I think, Nick, any comments? Can we start eating Thai food?

[Speaker 2]
I think it's done. I think we can decide the time ourselves.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay. I'll see you guys in five minutes for Adam's text. Eight minutes, sir?

Thank you. Yay, Tim. Thank you.

Thank you. You did great, man. Yay.

Hey, see you soon.