Сугэн Ши — Книга 2: Колесо жизни (первый принцип и подразделения зависимости), занятие 42

[Speaker 1]
All right, the last homework for this term, which is hopefully the easiest record on this computer. All right. Okay, let me share my screen.

This is the one. All right. What is the reason Buddha split the world into 12 parts?

[Speaker 3]
Because there are 12 links.

[Speaker 1]
Well, I mean parts or links. You can call it links too. What's the reason?

[Speaker 3]
Wow, I forget what he said exactly. Like it's just a way of explaining it to help people.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it was general.

[Speaker 3]
It was a relationship.

[Speaker 1]
It was sweet.

[Speaker 2]
I found it encouraging.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Basically, it's just to guide us, to guide, to help us, to help guide us understand. There is a specific term for that, but anyway, that will be later.

Okay, the next one. What does it mean to have excessive pride? I mean, I'm confused.

[Speaker 3]
Use the sense organ to grasp the object.

[Speaker 1]
We don't need all this technology. Sorry, repeat again.

[Speaker 3]
I think it's use the sense organ to grab the object.

[Speaker 1]
Ah, the six sense organ. You're lying. Yeah, that is one part.

There's one part. There are three, three, two more. You think you have qualities that you don't have?

No, no, no. That is... In words text, it meant misunderstanding reality.

Say again, Geshe-la. In words text, it meant misunderstanding reality. Misunderstanding reality.

In words text, that's what it meant. I think you might check. I got the Yeti mic plugged in now.

That's a huge difference. I mean, it has a lot of unusual meanings, right? Yes, correct.

So yeah, the one that we pick up by Masa Asanga also, he was saying about holding a mistaken state of mind about the understanding, the attainment, and the contact. This is where the part that Gibson mentioned, how your six senses are contacting the outside world. Yeah, there are many meanings.

And I just, because I am using this in my footnotes, so I'm just picking this up. Cool. Yeah, I think this is the most relevant to the part of the text that...

I think so. Yeah. All right.

What does it mean when you say you don't understand what it means to grasp correctly how it is that the six doors of sense resulting into grasping the object as they are? Whoa.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, that was a tough sentence. Yeah, I was trying to scratch my head also. What do you mean when you say you don't?

That's what Masa Asanga says. That's what I mean by arrogance. Yeah, isn't this super pride?

Hobby pride?

[Speaker 1]
Very close. But what I got from the text from Master Vasubandhu is, yes, you are right. Failing to understand the excessive pride of mistaken mind on realization.

Yeah, bingo. Whoa, that was tricky. You asked us what's excessive pride, then you asked us what does it mean to not understand excessive pride?

Yeah, I just thought of maybe swapping around. I don't know. Yeah, but I think I would like to revisit this with Geshe-la later after the homework.

[Speaker 3]
It's nice to be specific rather than just feeling misunderstanding in my bones.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, thank you. All right. Drenpa, drenpa, drenpa.

I relate? Yeah. Yes.

You prefer that? This is for my own record too. So we talked about the two nuances of the ni and chiro, I suppose.

Anyone still remember this? You mean like, is it some special meaning of ni, like itself? That's not...

In the context of the text, it appears so many times, right?

[Speaker 3]
Right, and we translated it as totally.

[Speaker 1]
Totally. Utterly. You are totally correct.

Correct me. And that's why, period. That's why, when it is.

Well, I think, I don't know. I have been trying to really wrap my mind around these two ideas because it appears in most, a lot of sentences in the text. So, anyway.

Can I ask you a question? I mean, and Geshe-la, I think I should need to weigh in. Ro usually would be the terminating particle after chiro, which you know, Sugeng.

Yeah. Does it somehow lend some other specific meaning here in your text? Yeah, here it means a corpse on the outside.

[Speaker 3]
Corpse is an outside object.

[Speaker 1]
They use them in Dracula's castle to scare people away. It's actually coming out of your kuchi.

[Speaker 3]
Halloween term.

[Speaker 1]
I thought it was the taste of it. It is just the ending particle, and it doesn't really... Yeah.

I'm only bringing it up to avoid any potential little confusions. The confusion is if Sugeng is going to show us his translation. I am.

I am. And this is the sentence, Geshe-la. I just want to ask for your opinion.

Is this written correctly? Did I interpret your translation correctly? Yeah, good.

How it is that... Okay. I would just say understand thoroughly or something the six doors of sense which result in contact with the object.

Which part here? I would say understand thoroughly the six doors of sense which result in contact with the object. Which result in contact with the object.

Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah. As they are, no?

We don't need this? I don't think you need it, yeah. We need it, okay.

Oh, we don't? Or we do? Which result in context with the object.

Or their objects, if you want to make it plural. All right, okay. Okay, thank you, Geshe-la.

And this is where the definition of this excessive pride. Yeah. There's a couple of places in the sutra, in the commentary here, where he uses RATATATARANATOGASATO.

And I think he doesn't mean TOGS, because it's a mistaken state of mind. So TOGS would never be a mistaken state of mind. That spelling, R-T-O-G-S, will never be mistaken.

Because it means I realized, you know. I thought he was my friend, but then I realized he's not. You see, I mean, it's always correct.

So anyway, I personally think it's probably It's the answer to the last line. I think it's the answer to the last line. Yes, yes, the answer to this one.

Yeah, somebody said, what does it mean to have a misunderstanding about your six senses, right? And the answer is, it's a state of mind which possesses assumption in the sense of being mistaken, okay? It's a state of mind which possesses assumption in this.

It's assuming the wrong thing, in the sense that it's a mistaken state of mind. So it means your six senses are lying to you in this school. And that's misunderstanding, right?

Whose school? Mine only, right? Mine only.

He's quoting his brother. He's quoting his brother, okay? Cool.

What's the main misunderstanding in the mind only? One of the two.

[Speaker 3]
One of the two is that the beings...

[Speaker 1]
They look as if they're outside, but they're not. So it looks like your sense powers are making contact with the outside, but they're not. And here that's called super pride.

I would call it assumption. Assumption, you know, means that you assume something is correct. You see what I mean?

Assumption, okay. I would call... I would not call it pride.

I don't think it has anything to do with pride. I think it's... You assume that your senses are correct.

[Speaker 3]
It's a presupposition.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. What's he mumbling? I can't hear it.

No, I'm just trying to... I hope he doesn't do that in his sleep, okay? All right, Geshe-la, this is the next attempted translation.

I think delusion is too strong. Too strong, okay. I think the mamba means maybe confusion, all right?

Or it implies confusion towards the subject. Towards the object, okay. So I see.

Well, I mean, we used this delusion before. Yeah, okay. Maybe you could call it complete confusion.

Complete confusion. Like a math class. Complete confusion, okay.

Yeah. Okay, I see. All right, okay.

I think he's gonna give us seven kinds of complete confusion, but it's actually only six. Only six, okay. I'm tricking you.

You're gonna find out later. All right. RGYUD LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG So, conflict, confusion on time.

RGYUD PA LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG I would say complete confusion about time. About time. Yep.

All right. And then RGYUD PA LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG Complete confusion. About functioning things.

Okay. I would make it plural. Things, all right.

And then RGYUD PA LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG Complete confusion about transference. I would say dying and moving on. It's more easier for a restaurant guy.

All right. Okay. Transition.

Somebody used the term transition, right? I think Gibson was that? Oh, we use transition.

It's pretty good. Transition is much more academic than Geshe-la usually says. All right.

Okay. RGYUD PA LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG Complete confusion about superiority. Chök is always singular.

Chök is, here it means one person. Oh, Chök. So, oh, okay.

So, what should I put here? One person. It's the supreme one or the highest one of all.

Supreme one, I see.

[Speaker 3]
It means Buddha.

[Speaker 1]
It actually refers to Buddha. Okay. Oh, okay.

But supreme one is nice. Supreme one is nice. You're going to see later, he's going to explain each one.

I see. During your class, I think. Oh, I have, okay.

I haven't seen that yet. All right. And then, DE KHO NA NYID LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG Complete confusion about suchness.

Right, nice. Okay. Okay.

KUN NAS NYON MONG BA DANG NAM PAR BYANG BA LA BSGUN DU MONG BA DANG Complete confusion. I'd like to say, you see, usually the wording is NYON MONG CHOG KYI CHOS and NAM BYANG CHOG KYI CHOS. That's the usual wording.

And it means the negative side of things and the enlight... What do you say? The enlightened side of things.

Okay. The negative side of things and the enlightened side of things. And that's an Abhidharma expression.

Basically, you divide the whole world into messed up stuff and beautiful stuff. I see. I see.

Okay. So, complete confusion on complete KUN NAS. About?

About. The negative side of things and the enlightened side of things. Yeah.

Negative side of things and then... Okay. Okay, good.

Thank you. And then... This is a complete confusion about what it means to have that assumption.

I would call it assumption. It's not prime here. You're assuming something about reality.

[Speaker 3]
When you say complete confusion, about thinking you're right?

[Speaker 1]
Not necessarily. Mongpa usually just means you really don't know what's going on. It doesn't imply you think you're right.

Should I call back all the previous translation of NGON PAS NGA RGYAL and change them to assumption? I wouldn't bother because you're going to change it again three times before you finish your translation. Okay, I'll remember this then.

All right. Okay. So you're saying actually there are six rather than seven, Geshe-la?

Well, you know, if I'm Vasubandhu, I will say six, seven, or eight. Oh, okay. Okay.

I see. There's seven in this list. They can be abbreviated to six.

And they are synonyms for marigpa. So really there's eight. Eight.

Okay. I mean, okay. But for now, because you put DUN here, so I just put seven first, right?

No, that's correct. Because MISHEPA, the first word in the sentence, is number one actually. So you can describe MISHEPA or misunderstanding, marigpa.

It means marigpa. You can understand marigpa with seven different brothers or in seven different flavors. Like 31 Flavors.

If you live in Flagstaff, I'm sure you've been there. Why else would you live in Flagstaff? It's a cool place.

It's an ice cream store that always has 31 Flavors. Okay. It's next to the Wells Fargo Bank.

I'm just helping out. All right. Okay.

Would you like to read, Sugeng? Let's have you read first, okay? Okay.

Nick is going to help you suffer. Say again? Nick is going to help you.

All right. Grandpa's eating popcorn. PAR GYIS MARIG PAS NAM DANG DUG PO DE DAG NI KUN NAS MONGS PA'I NGOS PO DUN YIN PAR RIG PAR BYA'O Yeah, here he says six of them are the seven.

Oh, yes. Okay, yes. Hmm.

Gotta explain what he means from MI SHES PA NI MARIG PA. Where is Mumba in your list, Sugeng? What number is Mumba?

Did he have a Mumba? No, I don't have Mumba here. You better go back to the Sutra section.

Okay, this is 26. 26. There you go.

There it is. It's the last one in the Buddhist list. Ah, this one.

Yeah. So in the Buddhist list, he says all the ones up to Mumba. So how many are there before Mumba?

Six or seven. MI SHES PA MA THONG BA NGON PA MA STOGS PA MONGS PA KUN NUS MONGS PA MARIG PA MUNGS PA Seven. Seven.

All right. So six plus Mungpa, right? Yeah, Mungpa's number seven.

So now let's go back to our section. KUN NUS MONGS PA MARIG PA MUNGS PA Okay, yes. All right.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, MI SHES PA NI MARIG PA DANG MUNGS PA'I RNAM PA'I PAR Yeah, starting from number one in the original sutra and up to marigpa and mungpa, okay? There's really only six namdangs. What's namdang?

Synonyms. Yeah, different words for misunderstanding. Just same words.

Okay. So there are six from the beginning to the end, but you should understand that they represent seven kinds of complete confusion, okay? KUN NUS MONGS PA, right?

KUN NUS MONGS PA Six in the list, but seven discrete kinds of confusion. Confusion, all right. Now he's going to probably join two together or something like that.

Let's go see. Okay. One more time, Sugen.

KUN NUS MONGS PA'I NGOS PO THA MA GNYIS GCIG DU BYA STE DER MRIG PA DANG MUNGS PA'I RNAM DANG NYID THA BAR BYA'O Yeah, he says the list of the seven, you should combine the last two, which I think is marigpa and mungpa, I think. I don't remember from the sutra. And then he has a very serious mistake in the carving here.

The ma is missing, right? Yeah, obviously it should have been marigpa instead of rigpa. He has knowledge instead of ignorance.

So THA BAR BYA'O means you should view or you should look upon the last two terms as being equivalent. Okay, and I forget what they were. Let's go back.

Mungpa was one of them. Yeah, mungpa was the last one. Oh, marigpa, yeah.

Marigpa and mungpa, he says, are the same thing. Darkness and misunderstanding are the same thing. So we list them separately, but they're the same thing.

So he's saying that these two should be combined together, right? Marigpa and mungpa. Yeah, and that way you only get six.

Yeah, all right. Oh, wow. Cool, cool.

Wow, okay. Okay, marigpa and mungpa should be combined. Okay, this is cool.

This is cool. Okay, now you got to get somebody else to read again and torture them. Okay, okay.

So, oh, I see somebody. Inghui, you want to read? Who is that?

Inghui.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, I'll read.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, use your cursor, Sugeng. This one? No, I mean one by one.

So, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Okay, good. Thank you.

Nice reading. If you need more synonyms for misunderstanding, okay, or more equivalent expressions for misunderstanding, because they're not all single words, I'll give you some more. Anything which works against, mi tun chok means anything that works against, mi tun chok means anything that works against nyenpa, samba, and gompa.

I'll give 30 bucks if you can translate these three correctly and connect them to an important Mixed Nuts book. So, if... I forgot the first part.

So, you want to say it loudly.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, but should I give a chance first, Sugeng?

[Speaker 1]
No, don't give a chance to him. Please, please. Got it.

[Speaker 3]
Studying, contemplating, meditating.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, going to class, thinking about what you heard in class, and then meditating on what you thought about. And that's the first half of the $50.

[Speaker 3]
We're studying the same as words class.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it was very important in words class. Why? It was part of the two buddhanicuras.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, it will help you to develop the buddhanature, the half of the buddhanature that you can develop.

[Speaker 1]
Good, nice, nice, nice.

[Speaker 3]
In the meantime, you'll be getting other wonderful results.

[Speaker 1]
Nice, and he said in the meantime, it's going to help you do a lot of this stuff. So here, Sugeng, you've got to go backwards from mi tunpe chok. Mi tunpe chok means...

We had a long list of mi tunpe chok for a good retreat. Yeah, conditions that are supportive. What do you say, say?

Supportive conditions, or supportive... No, mi tunpe chok. Oh, oh, unsupportive conditions.

Yeah, like, I don't know, loud people in the next year, or stuff like that. Rattlesnakes. So he says, if you want another way to describe ignorance or a misunderstanding, I'll give you one.

Anything that bothers your study, contemplation, and meditation. Anything which works against your coming to class, and contemplating, and meditation. So I just gave you three more synonyms for misunderstanding.

It's very interesting. He calls not coming to class the ignorance, which causes samsara. Probably you have lazy students, I don't know.

Okay, just kidding. I don't have lazy students. I have overworking students.

Okay. Wait, wait, wait. How many extra synonyms did I give you?

Three. Yeah, nam dang sum, right? Nam dang sum.

Nam dang sum, yeah. The end of the sentence. And I gave them to you in a certain order.

Korim. Yeah, korim means, again, they should come in that order. Why?

[Speaker 3]
It's the order you practice them.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, first you got to go to class, so you can't contemplate, you can't think about it in the car on the way home. And if you don't think about it in the car on the way home, you can't meditate about it the next morning. Okay, so they got to go in order.

He says, I just gave you three more synonyms for misunderstanding in order. Cool? Cool.

Shut up here, or should I just put... That's nyenpa le chungway sherab, sanpa le chungway sherab, and gompa le chungway sherab. It distributes to all three.

The wisdom which is produced by going to class, the wisdom which is produced by thinking about what you heard in the class, and the wisdom which is produced by meditating on what you were thinking and hearing about. Okay. So that shut up distributes to all three.

I see. And if something works against that wisdom, it's a form of misunderstanding. Okay, sure.

All right, thank you. All right, now you're going to pick somebody else to torture. Okay.

I heard in Singapore, like if you do graffiti on the wall, they have a kung fu master whip you. So we can do the same thing with the mixed nuts students. Okay.

If they mispronounce a word. All right. Okay, can I invite Ruko?

Okay. It's true. Okay, probably she's busy.

Okay. How about Luka? Luka.

Luka, are you available? Luka? Oh, she's translating.

Is it? I don't know. Okay, not Dan.

Okay, how about Grace Tan? Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Dan?

[Speaker 1]
Yes. Thank you. You sound just like Su Teng on his first day.

Okay. Now, as far as what works against your classroom time, and thinking about your classroom time, and meditating on that, we can say there's three more obstacles. Okay, what are they?

Chung, ding, chenpo. Yeah. I'll tell you something interesting.

Sometimes in Abhidharma, when you're talking about getting rid of those things, you know, getting rid of the... like getting rid of your lack of going to class. They will say start with the big one and work to the small one.

Like, start with the obvious one.

[Speaker 3]
Kill the boss first.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and then go to the subtle one. And it's more difficult. The subtle one's more difficult.

Okay. All right. Who's up next again?

Oh, okay. All right. Hold on.

So he just says, let's add three more. We had six. Sometimes there was seven.

We added it to marigbada and made eight. And then we decided to add three more of things that work against your class time, etc. And then, let's add three more, because each of those can be divided into three.

Oh, okay. Three by degree. So I don't know how many you got here.

Three times two is nine. Nine. Yeah, nine plus three is six.

Okay. That's a lot. All right.

By the way, if you're stuck in the debate ground, you don't hate the debate, you can say, how many numbers are there of wisdom? It's good enough to take a half hour off of speaking. Keep going.

Who's up? Okay. Let me see.

Oh, I saw Kiki. Kiki, you want to try? Kiki.

Kiki. Yeah. Kiki and Ning Hui are with Xin Tian and me in Bali now.

Kiki, you want to try? Wow, in Bali? Yeah, that's bad.

She's Muslim. Her whole family. She took me to the mosque.

She's beautiful. She's really beautiful. Kiki, are you there?

Yes. All right. So, they have three.

I turned on her. Oops, sorry. Okay, let's go again.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, Wata. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Big par jau. Yeah, thank you. Indonesia.

Those Indonesia people are smarter than the Singapore people. Okay, mi tunpay chok means what, Sigi? The reverse?

The... The stuff that works against you. Okay.

The stuff that works against, yeah. And the rabtu yewa means if you split it up into its sections. If you split up into sections all the things that work against your understanding, or if you take all those kinds of misunderstandings and split them up into categories according to what they're made of, or what's their main essence.

Still, either way, whether you examine them as to what they prevent or what they block, or if you examine them according to their basic nature, you're still going to come up with nambang druk. Six synonyms? Yeah, six.

Yeah, there's only six in there. You can say seven, eight, nine, twelve, fifteen, but there's only six really different kinds. Okay, they kind of overlap.

They overlap. Some of them overlap. Okay.

Oh, okay. Okay. All right.

I need to pick someone else. Yeah, or you've got a lady next to you. You could pick on her.

Oh, Tim Tim. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
,'KHRUL GYI NAM DRANG LAS YANG, ,'KHRUL GYI THA LA SOGS PA MI SHES PA, ,NAS THAMS TE GSUNGS PA Yay!

[Speaker 1]
Nice, very good. What this means, Sugeng, is don't forget when we started out on this subject, we talked about a long list of different kinds of misunderstanding. He says, if you're going to count synonyms, don't forget to add those.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, like the doors.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, before we reached the synonyms, we had a long section where they talked about misunderstanding past lives, misunderstanding where I'm going to go in the future, misunderstanding all these things. So he said, you know, if you really want to count the synonyms, you're going to have to add everything that came before the synonyms. Oh, yeah.

Okay, because that was a whole list of different kinds of misunderstanding itself. We had a long list before he said, now I give you some synonyms. And he said, those are also synonyms, the list he gave you before.

And he gives you one of the members of that list, and he says, you try to remember the rest yourself. Okay. He says, NGON GYI MTHAR.

We had NGON GYI MTHAR and we had PHYI MA'I MTHAR. We had ignorance about what came NGON and ignorance about what came PHYI. Yeah, where did my birth begin?

Where did my life come from? How did I come into this world? Where was I before?

And PHYI MA'I MTHAR. Where am I going to be five minutes after I die? MI SHES PA NAS TZAM STE Starting from that one about not understanding the past, I gave you a whole list above.

I'm not going to repeat it here. Sorry, grandpa's not going to repeat it here.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, sure.

[Speaker 1]
You go back and see yourself. Okay. Okay, next again.

Come on. You're too nice to everybody. Come on.

Okay, since Kiki's still there. Kiki, you want to read again? Let's get some attention here.

[Speaker 2]
PYE LONG NYI YAK NO DOR NA MA RIG PAI LAS NYI RAK MA RIG PAI LE NYI NAM PA NYI NAM PA NYES NYI NYI SU RIG PAR YAT TE YAT TE YAT TE YAT TE NAM PA TAM TAM CHEK TAM CHEK DU YUK PAI TEN YUK PAI TEN JIN YUK PAI JIN PAI LAS PAI LE PAI LE TEN TEN TEN KI TEN KI MA RIG PA DANG NAM PA TAM TAM CHEK TAM CHEK DU DUK PAI DUK PAI DUK PAI DUK PAI JUK PAI JUK PAI LE JUK PAI LE YAN NO YAN NO Yay!

[Speaker 1]
Yay! Okay. When you see a sentence, again, starting with DGE SLONG DAG, what is it?

Addressing the monks? It's almost always a statement by Lord Buddha. They almost don't have to say the Buddha said.

They just start the sentence with O monks. And then that's always coming from some kind of sutra. O monks, DOR NA, to put it briefly, DOR, like short sutra, yoga sutra.

To put it briefly, you should RIG PA CHA. You should understand? You should understand that there are two kinds of MA RIG PA'I LE.

Misunderstanding of karma. Misunderstanding things? MA RIG PA'I LE.

Come on you guys. Misunderstanding karma. Not understanding karma.

No, stupid actions.

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
It's a joke here. It's a pun here. So again, give me the pun.

I see. Stupid action. What's the pun here?

The Buddha is talking to his monks. He says, listen you guys, you got to understand that there's two kinds of misunderstood activity. Get it?

You have to understand that you are misunderstanding. Oh, you understand that they have... Oh, okay.

But they can't because they already misunderstanding. You should understand that you are doing things LE, karma, out of two kinds of misunderstanding. Understand?

And then they can say, no, that's why we do them. If it's me. If I'm a disciple, that's what I'll say.

It doesn't work very well by the way. NAM PAR THAMS CAD DU SBYUGS PA'I RTEN BYIN PA'I LE The karma which provides you with a human form in which you can carry out all kinds of bad things. The karma that gives you a body and mind that assist you in making your mistakes.

That's one kind of marigapa. By the way, Buddha is giving more... more synonyms.

Yeah, Vasubandhu is like, hey, I can keep giving you synonyms all day. Here's some more. There's a special kind of marigapa about how you act.

And there's one that gets you in trouble. And there's a second one, NAM PAR THAMS CAD DU SBYUGS PA'I RTEN BYIN PA'I LE And there's another one that stops you from getting out of trouble. There's one that gets you in trouble.

And there's another one that stops you when you're trying to get out of trouble. It stops you when you want to get out of trouble. Yeah.

PAR SPYOD means it impedes you. PAR SPYOD means interruption, right? It interrupts you.

So, there's two kinds of new... two kinds of new misunderstandings. What?

Well, there's one that makes you do things to get you into trouble. And then there's another one that stops you when you're trying to stop doing things to get you in trouble. It stops you when you want to stop.

Okay, I got it. Yay!

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Who's up next? This is a short one. Yeah.

Short one. I don't know. Isabelle, you want to read?

[Speaker 2]
Yes. DUD SBYUG PA GANG PHRAD NA GANG PHRAD NA Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Let me think about this. TSON PA RNAMS PA THAMS CAD DU SBYUG PA GANG PHRAD NA What did it mean when you...

I guess they're addressing the Buddha as TSON PA. Oh, Reverend one, what did you mean when you told us to get into everything? Okay?

You told us we should get into everything. You monks, you should get into everything. What's that mean?

What do you mean? What do you want us to do? Okay?

Next again. Okay. Okay.

All right. Isabelle, can you continue? It was too short just now.

[Speaker 2]
Yes. Thank you. RNAMS PA RNAMS PA RNAMS PA RNAMS PA RNAMS PA RNAMS PA RNAMS PA So here's the Buddha's answer.

[Speaker 1]
Listen. Second line. Hey monks, this is what I meant when I said you should get into everything.

It means three things. It means I'm trying to tell you what you should get into. I'm trying to tell you who should get into it.

And I'm trying to tell you how you should get into it. That's what I meant when I said you should get into everything. So I meant somebody...

Sorry. There's things you should be getting into, number one. Number two.

There's people that should be doing the getting into, number two. Number three. And there's a way that they should be doing the getting into.

And that's what I meant when I said you got to get into it in every different way. Got it? Thank you.

And they ask him questions. They start asking him questions about those three discussions. Here's the first question.

[Speaker 2]
Isabel. Yeah, I'm here. I'm glad you're here.

Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Just pretend you're asleep. Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
DZUN PA GANG LA SBYUGS CHE NA Yeah, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
DZUN PA GANG LA SBYUGS CHE NA SBYUGS CHE NA SBYUGS CHE NA, okay. Yeah. Oh, Reverend one.

What's the answer to that first part? What should we be getting into? GANG LA SBYUGS What should we be getting into?

Here's the answer, Sugeng. Let's make her suffer some more. Okay, Isabel.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. I feel my Tibetan is going to improve very fast. You are.

Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, nice. Thank you. Okay, Sugeng, let's try to read it.

Oh, Geylang dogs. Oh, monks. Oh, monks.

When you ask me what you should get into, I say you should get into NAM PAR RTOGS PA DU RTOGS PA DU NAM PAR RTOGS PA RTOGS PA DU LA'I SBYUGS SGO So what? Awareness of time? Time of awareness of me?

This is very confusing. You should get into RTOGS DU NAM PAR RTOGS PA What's that mean? To imagining that there is a a cell You should...

What should we be getting into? I want you to get into thinking that the pen comes from the pen. Is that a good answer?

No, it's a great answer. Yeah. I want you to get into thinking that the pen is coming from the pen and not from you.

That's the answer. But then he called that he called that kind of thinking two. And I challenge you to translate Kala Dandar.

Just trying what? Death. Death.

Kala means death sometimes. The passage of time. You can't slow down.

You can't slow it down. Your mom lit a candle when you were born and it's going down every hour. You don't have a choice.

It doesn't matter. You go to the gym. You're not one hour older afterwards.

They'll let you go. Now, I don't know if that's where he's going, Sugeng, but it's certainly an intriguing sentence because he says, oh monks, I want you to get into the delusion of a self nature. Number topa without an S.

I want you to get into that wrong idea about a self. What a thing to tell your monks. Sugeng, as a teacher, how do you get out of a problem?

You say, we can understand this better if we go on to the next few sentences. Everybody forgets that you didn't do the first one. Okay.

I'm just teaching how to teach, okay? Thank you. And I don't have a solution for that sentence.

Let's do the other ones. All right. Can I ask Nguy to continue?

I have one more statement. The very first two kinds of misunderstanding in the Buddhist list in the sutra were mong gi ta and shi me ta. The things that happened before and the things that will happen after.

Maybe that's the do he's talking about. Oh, okay. Maybe he's saying again, let's start with time.

Because you don't know where you came from into this life, and you don't know where you're going after this life, okay? You guys are unbelievable. You don't even think about it.

You don't even worry about it. You're here and you never think, where was I before? Where was I five minutes before the conception in the womb?

And where am I going to be ten minutes after they take me to the hospital? Speaking of time, guys. Oh, okay.

One minute. We can answer the second of the three questions, Sugeng, if we go fast. Who's going to do that?

You know, Sugeng, you know it's a good way to shut up, Nick. You can ask him to read. Who does the entering?

Who should do the entering, Lord Buddha? Who should do the entering? Yeah.

You monks should believe that the pen is coming from the pen, and then you should explore the parts of you that are inside of you, and the parts of you that are on the outside of you. Okay? It's a weird answer here.

Okay. All right. Okay.

To be continued, as they say. Yes. Yeah, so we're going to leave this conversation in the middle, and you guys are going to wonder for two, three months about...

By the way, Nick, when's our next Mixed Nuts session? Funny you should ask. I was hoping that you had landed on dates for that.

I'm planning to decide all the dates for next year during my coming silent, quiet, relaxed retreat. I think we've decided... I mean, we have submitted dates for it in late January.

I'm hesitant to give the exact dates until you agree to it. I would guess that that's probably okay, but I got to look at the whole... I got to look at, you know, the whole year.

Okay. All right. If we can...

Yeah, okay. Okay, Shintian, take care of him until the next Mixed Nuts session, okay? He's very valuable.

Hey, so Gang, your wife looks... Your wife looks younger and younger. How's...

What's she do that? Must be Bali, Bali, you know? Yeah.

I would like to welcome all of you to Bali. I think it's going to Bali when the kids are in Singapore. Oh, my youngest is here.

Oops. Oh, I didn't mean the youngest one. Of course, he...

The big ones, the girl... Both are studying in the university now. Yeah.

By the way, I remember when you and your group took me and my wife to Bali and put us in the best apartment, the best hotel room, and thank you very much. That was a special... That was a special time in our life.

We should thank Kiki, too. She was here with us, helping to arrange everything. Thank you, Kiki.

And thank you for taking me to your mosque, Kiki, with your family. That was one of the most awesome times in my life. All right.

How much time do we have, Nick? Five minutes.

[Speaker 2]
What?

[Speaker 1]
I'm going to change your name to Five. Okay. You can call me Take Five.

Bye. See you, guys.