Сугэн Ши — Книга 2: Колесо жизни (первый принцип и подразделения зависимости), занятие 8

[Speaker 1]
Key number three. Okay, let's start. So, this is quite easy.

What Buddha taught the dependents as an antidote to what kind of people? Do you remember? Who is that laughing?

Oh, Nick. I was laughing because it's an antidote to a certain kind of people, which is something I probably need sometimes. Maybe someone like me.

Do you remember? Anybody remember? Antidote to what kind of people?

Wang Nguyen. We think in samsara it's fun. No problem of samsara.

I'm thinking there is a self. Related to self. Which one?

Which self?

[Speaker 3]
Which self? Oh my god, we don't have one, much less multiple.

[Speaker 1]
Thinking that they're self-existent and not even know that they're suffering in samsara? Not yet. No, not yet.

Not that one yet. That one is disciple. This one is the antidote to...

Anybody? Okay, let me show you. Antidote of attachment to the self, viewing something as having a self-nature, and those who don't understand, those who have doubts, and those who have wrong views.

Okay, mishepa. What is mishepa?

[Speaker 2]
They don't get it.

[Speaker 1]
Don't get it. Don't understand. Doubt.

[Speaker 2]
Wrong views.

[Speaker 3]
Hold on, if you got an R at the end of lokpar.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah, take the R off.

I don't think it necessarily means wrong views, right? It just means...

[Speaker 3]
Turn around. Turn around.

[Speaker 1]
And it can mean... Sorry, sorry, make one. No, no, go ahead.

Keep going. What is nyenpo? Say again?

Antidote, yeah. A remedy. Sepa.

Initial desire. Sepa. Oh, okay, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Initial...

[Speaker 1]
Sepa, sepa.

[Speaker 2]
Isn't it the eighth link, too?

[Speaker 1]
Say again?

[Speaker 2]
The eighth link, the name of the eighth link.

[Speaker 1]
What link?

[Speaker 2]
Eighth.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, oh, it's eighth link. Oh, okay, link number eight, yeah.

[Speaker 2]
It was more of a question, so...

[Speaker 1]
No, it is. Yeah, it should be, yeah, it should be. I believe if just this term alone, it can be anything, so...

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, for a...

Oh, this is a long one. For a bodhisattva... Okay, let me move it down.

For a bodhisattva on the sixth level, they have a special insight on emptiness that relates to emptiness of the nature of things in the present moment, emptiness of the cause which produced them in the past, and the emptiness of self-nature of the results that they will produce in the future. What are the special names used for these three understandings, respectively?

[Speaker 2]
The Three Doors to Freedom.

[Speaker 1]
Say again?

[Speaker 2]
Three Doors to Freedom.

[Speaker 1]
What freedom?

[Speaker 2]
Doors.

[Speaker 1]
Door, yes, the first one. And that refers to the first one, so that refers to... Present.

What is the second one?

[Speaker 2]
Door that has no signs.

[Speaker 1]
No sign and refers to the?

[Speaker 2]
Cause.

[Speaker 1]
Cause of thing. And what is the third one?

[Speaker 2]
Door of no prayer.

[Speaker 1]
No prayer, the liberation, the door to liberation called no prayer. Thank you. Ah, then what two kinds of disciple is this teaching made for?

And a word you were saying just now?

[Speaker 3]
Uh, from people who have a self-existent view of themselves and those who don't even know that they're wandering in samsara and suffering.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you very much. Give me your, give me your PayPal or send money. It's already in the chat.

Okay, got it. Okay, Nick, please, uh, yeah, please, please proceed. All right.

Um, so, uh, thank you again for giving me a few minutes of your class. I'll try to speak a little more slowly than that. Uh, perfect timing.

Uh, sorry, I'm just going to step over here for a second. Hi, Geshe-la. Hi, uh, uh, you, you, you, you do everything and I will relax and prepare us again.

All right. But I'm listening. I'm listening.

I'll interrupt you three times, I promise. Okay, good, good. Now we're talking.

Just in case I forget anything. Um, so we're going to do my salary. That's kidding.

Um, we're going to, um, arrange a way for us all to participate from, from now on creating life tools. So in DCI, the manuals are made of life tools. I think most of you are familiar with that.

Every level has 12 life tools and we've been doing them here in the Mixed Nuts with some of the participants, uh, us translators do three of them after each term. We make three, what we call real apps based on the content of that term. And now we want you to make them too.

And the idea is that, uh, I mean, we just asked Geshe Michael to stick around for a while and we, we definitely pray that you do Geshe Michael, but just to expand the ability to create content from these old books and make sure that this tradition of taking the ideas in these books, uh, and making them relevant and accessible to the modern world in order to continue that and expand it, we want to all learn how to diamond mine. We want to learn how to go into the, the old books, find some ideas, and then, uh, turn them into something that's relevant and accessible to the modern world.

And so in order to motivate you all to do that, well, first of all, it's, it's really fun and amazing and, uh, rewarding in and of itself. But, uh, if you do a good one, you could get it included into one of the DCI manuals, which is pretty cool. And we have coming up in, I believe May, is that right?

Seiji and Geshe Michael? Yeah. Okay.

So in May we have DCI level 12 coming up. So I'm asking you all to pay attention to the classes that we've covered so far and for the rest of the term to specifically see if anything in the ideas that you're learning from these books might fit in the level 12. Level 12 is about the art of gratitude for those of you who don't know.

And we, Geshe Michael has agreed for those of you who are interested, we can send you a copy of the level 12 manual so that you can read it and see what it's like. And then take some of the ideas in these books and turn them into a life tool that you'd be able to, um, that we'd be able to use. So we're going to organize the, I don't want to call it a contest, but we're going to organize the workflow like this.

It is kind of a contest though, because the best ones are going to get used in the manuals. And you can keep in mind level 12, which is gratitude, because that's next. But after that, we're going to do level 11, which is time management.

And after that, we're going to do level 10, right? Level 10 is about managing anger, not getting angry. And so I personally need to learn that one.

I need to learn them all actually. And then after that, we're going to do level eight, which is one of my favorites, which is about leadership. It's called automatic leadership.

Really incredible level. So, um, here's how it's going to go. If you're interested in participating in this, you're welcome to do so as an individual or as a team.

We just want the good content. All right. So whatever you think, whatever way you think you'll work best, maybe some of you work really well together.

And then as an individual or as a team, you dime in mind, you know, you listen to these classes, you find some idea that you really want to grab onto and interpret it in a way that would be accessible and relevant to the modern world. And it's, you know, good and fun. And then write it out, write a one page description of this live tool or real app with what should they include, Allison?

[Speaker 2]
Three parts. First, we need to have a catchy name, for example, Two Husbands in the Kitchen. And then second, we need to have a catchy, beautiful, bright features which can remind us the content of this live tool.

And third is that the content of the live tool should be relevant and should pass the weight test.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Meaning people will understand. You don't use a bunch of fancy words or foreign words that people won't understand.

And you can do this in your language, okay? And we'll find people to read them in Chinese and English and Spanish if you want to create them in Spanish. So you're going to start by creating a one page write up.

That doesn't have to be the complete live tool. If we're going to move forward with it, you can expand on it. Geshe Michael often will have 10 photos and a much lengthier description for a live tool.

One pager is just to get it going, you know, just to get the juices flowing and to give us an idea. We'll have a panel of people, English speakers, Chinese speakers, Spanish speakers and other languages if we need. We'll have a panel of people reading these and, you know, just kind of deciding which ones are the best are going to move up.

Then the next stage will be to create a five minute elevator pitch video. So that means if you have five minutes to explain this live tool to somebody, what will you tell them? So some of the most important points that you're able to get across in five minutes in a video that you'll be able to upload and, you know, those of us in the live tool division of DCI will read it.

And that's probably going to include people who don't know that they're going to be included in that. So I'm going to be asking you soon to read them over. And the next stage would be to get together in late March.

It's looking like March 26th, 27th, 28th, but I'll, or 25th, 26th, 27th. We're going to confirm those dates, but afternoons of those dates, we'll have a couple sessions where we'll be able to get together and watch you do 10 minute presentations, which will be a more complete version of the live tool. So if you're interested in participating, all you have to do is watch mine while you're watching, you know, like try to pick some ideas, maybe make a list while we're listening.

I need to try to do the same. And then Diamond Mine and then turn it into something and turn it into something good and then send it in. And so for now, you can just send them to me.

Or Sugeng, would you volunteer to also receive them? Yes, please. Yeah, my honor.

Okay. So especially if it's in Chinese, definitely send it to Sugeng because I won't understand even that you're sending me a live tool, probably. So send them to me and Sugeng or Sugeng or both of us.

And we'll get the process started. So please, please do it, though. We're really, we're really excited to expand this.

Keshe Michael, do you have anything to add? He's frozen. No.

Okay. I would say that we have 12 life tools in every level. We already wrote level 12.

But the idea is that you guys will be writing secondary life tools, extra life tools. And when I write a life tool, normally I put in 10 ideas. Each life tool, when I talk for an hour about a life tool, which is the normal length of time, I usually have 10 ideas inside the life tool, and I spend about five minutes on each one.

The big emphasis of this project, we all tried to write some life tools before. We all did some diamond mining before. But the new structure of DCI, we're creating about 50 paid positions.

It used to be me and Seiji or Scott or even Seiji. And now we want to make a bigger company. And we want to hire people in the company.

And we want the company to be able to go on to the next generation after Grandpa Geshe-la forgets how to talk. Which you're all waiting for, I know. That's not what we just told you.

I'm just kidding. So really what we're doing is, we're trying to make sure that the future generations know how to make life tools. Because I think if the DCI levels freeze, if they don't move, if they don't improve, if they don't change, then DCI will die in this world.

So really you guys want to be the next person to invent the two husbands in the kitchen. I think the two husbands in the kitchen has taught people more Dharma than the Heart Sutra in this world. Really, truly, honestly.

So it's a big responsibility and it's a big honor. So we're taking it seriously. We want to find more people.

Now when you see a movie or you see a TV show, there's usually five or ten writers working together to make the story. And we would like to have in DCI a team of tool writers. And we'd like Nick to run that division.

So Gang also offered to work in that division. And Ben Kramer and Ward Smith and all you guys, I think you could help us a lot. When you suggest a new tool, we'll try to get it into the May program.

And then it would be cool if I trained you to sit with me and teach it together. And then you'll get exposure to, we're planning to, we're trying to have about 10,000 people in May to attend from about 15 countries. So it would help you as a translator.

It will help you as a teacher. If you are the person whose life tool is cool, life tool is cool, then you'll get a chance to teach it with me. And we'd also like to credit you in the manual.

And we'd also like to pay you from the profit sharing. So if we make a profit, which I think we will, our profits are much better online because we don't have to pay for airplanes and hotels and more people can come. So we'll do profit sharing with the people whose life tools are selected.

And we're going to be very picky about the life tools. Most life tools will get rejected. And you have to be brave and you have to try hard.

And if we don't take your life tool this month, we have five DCI levels coming up. The last one, which is in January of 2022, is going to be all new life tools. It's a whole new level.

So basically you can help write the DCI of the future. And then grandpa can relax, smoke cigarettes, drink beers, and he doesn't have to work so hard about the content. The content creation of DCI and SCIM is a tremendous amount of work.

It's many, many, many hours of work. So I think if we could start to share the work, it would also be more exciting for you guys. And that's all I have.

Especially if you have written the translation. I look forward to seeing Word, for example, talk about... I look forward to Word creating a life tool from his book.

And Ben creating a life tool from his book. So Geng already finished the book. Ben's book is going to finish next class.

No doubt. And... Inshallah.

No, and it would be nice to... It'd be nice to teach together. My idea is that we teach together.

Like the way I did with Mr. Wu. When I taught the Medicine Buddha with Mr. Wu, we did 10 minutes each. And it was very successful.

Because I don't know why, but some people might find Ben Kramer more handsome than Geshe Michael. Or they might find Word to be more smart than Geshe... So people like it when there's different teachers.

Because each person likes different people. Okay, that's my sales pitch, Nick. Thank you so much, Geshe-la.

And I'd say don't be disappointed. There's going to be 100 life tools. We'll probably take 10 or 15.

So don't be disappointed. Keep working. And if you work hard, and if we see you're really into it, we'll hire you in the DCI new home office.

The new DCI home office... The new DCI Sedona home office, Xiaoping, where is it located?

[Speaker 2]
Globally.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's everywhere where the people are. The location of the Sedona home office is now everywhere.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you so much for bringing this part in.

[Speaker 1]
You can work for the home office, and you can never leave Surabaya, for example. Understand? Xintian, I want you also.

Okay, here we go. You guys ready?

[Speaker 3]
Bobby.

[Speaker 1]
Thanks, everybody. I'm sorry, the Russians already took over Bobby's again. You have to choose a different place.

Okay, you ready? You ready? Okay.

So again, one more thing, three more things. The home office life tool content bosses, which is Nick and whoever we decide, Sugeng probably, and a couple of you guys. One of your jobs is to choose tools which tie together.

Okay, Nick, and that's a separate skill. They have to tie together as a logical thread. Okay, it's not enough to have 12 good life tools.

One has to lead to the next one, and that's a whole nother skill. Secondly, it has to be spiritual without being religious. It has to help people's hearts.

So I'm not interested in just a life tool to make money or something like that. You can have a life tool to make money, that's important, but somewhere in there should be Sugeng's text about dependence of good deeds and bad deeds and emptiness. So it's a very interesting skill.

We are presenting spiritual ideas without mentioning spiritual stuff. Okay, and that's a big part of the life tools. And I never talk about it.

Okay, all right, and they have to be beautiful. They should be beautiful. They should be well-written.

They should be poetic. The names should be easy to remember, stuff like that. All right, here we go, Sugeng.

Grandpa's going to share a screen. Here we go. All right, I got my big boss next to me.

Actually, the big, big boss is working today, but this is the assistant big boss. Okay, Sugeng's going to read, and I can see Xiaoping. She's going to read.

By the way, we're thinking Xiaoping and Tim could help make our college bigger. We'll talk about that. All right, go.

JIG RTEN NA GANG YAR BA SRED PA DANG RIM PO CHE DROG PA GZHAN NO Good. Now, we were talking about dependent origination, right? And we said it basically means that the later link comes from the earlier link.

It basically means that the later link comes from the earlier link. Then we talked a little bit about emptiness and words, which is extremely important in the Medicine Buddha practice. Sugeng, if grandpa's too busy to get involved a lot, please get that Dharani essay into everyone's brain.

Three COVID injections. Two for the virus and one for the meaning of the mantra. Otherwise it doesn't work, and it doesn't...

Otherwise the whole practice doesn't work. If they don't understand the emptiness, if they don't use the pen for the Medicine Buddha, it doesn't work. So it means those grandpa and grandmas also who want to sit all day and recite the mantra, they also have to learn some emptiness.

I'm sorry. All right. So we were talking about a progression of events, okay?

And that's the meaning of dependence here. He says Yenlak Lama, the previous link happens first, and depending on that, the Yenlak Chima, the later link happens. So we're following that thought.

And he says in the everyday world, jik de na yang means in the everyday world, they also say somebody killed the metal smith, okay? Somebody killed the blacksmith or the metal worker, and they stole the precious metal from him, okay? Now it's a weird example.

Maybe it was important 2,000 years ago. And there's no commentary. We have to be super smart.

So I think it's talking about progression, okay? And in Sanskrit grammar and in Tibetan grammar, it's a big subject of what N means. N, what does N mean?

Cha in Sanskrit, okay? And the grammar text which Nick is familiar with, I think he memorized it, one of the meanings is progression. So sometimes cha in Sanskrit or dung in Tibetan means and then, and then, not just N, okay?

When you say and it could mean it happened at the same time, right? But here Vasubandhu is trying to say, look, even in the world, we say and then, and then, okay? Because what subject are we on?

Previous link and subsequent link, okay? Previous link and next link. He says it's like the progression.

First you murder the metal worker, okay? Karwa means... Okay, we're $300 for karwa.

Karwa is a... No, I want the famous dumpe. Okay, here we go.

Okay, hold on, hold on. Here we go, here we go. No, forget, forget.

I'm going to do a special power.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, it's in there.

[Speaker 1]
It's in the coconut. I can hear the synapse. Okay.

She's laughing, she likes it. I don't know how to spell this, I think it's this one.

[Speaker 3]
It is. I refuse to memorize this.

[Speaker 1]
Come on, if you can't memorize Nagarjuna, at least you have to memorize this, okay?

[Speaker 2]
I think you have to forget this.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, okay, word, translate. If you want to cut iron, you go to the blacksmith. If you want to cut poop, you go to your butthole.

Yeah, K means master, K means master, okay? The blacksmith is the master of cutting steel, and your butthole is the master of cutting poo-poo into pieces, right? If you're having a good day, the whole thing comes out at once, but it's not very usual.

Okay. Venerable, isn't that car can have a Mao or no Mao, either way? That's the point, that's the point I'm trying to make.

And by the way, we have no Sanskrit, we have no commentaries, we're on our own, okay? And nobody in the world can do it better than us. So we just have to say, okay, what the hell, we're going to try, okay?

So first you go to the blacksmith. Does it mean that if we want to steal the metal, we have to kill the metalsmith first? Yeah, and what it's talking about, Sugen, is a progression.

First you kill the guy, then you look around the shop and you find the metal and you take it home, okay? I read it this way. Now, if there's a problem with the spelling of the Tibetan translation, we're in trouble.

We have no place to check, we cannot detect it. Unless it sounds really weird. This is pretty weird already, but I think it's correct.

Now, if you guys want to learn a dampe, or a Tibetan expression, this is the one to start with. Okay, okay, Shinten, you can teach it to your boys, they will love it. You can tell them Geshe-la said to learn it.

All right, Sugen's reading and Dr. Kramer's checking. He's trying to forget that one, but he's never going to be able to.

[Speaker 3]
Forget what again?

[Speaker 1]
I've forgotten already. Tenching shejawani, kentele shejate, jitarbu busingwa tenne mejungwo shejawatendele sejawar nguno. Okay, I'm going to give 20 bucks to anybody who remembers the blue from the last class.

Burn. Yay, what's busing?

[Speaker 3]
Firewood.

[Speaker 1]
Firewood, okay. Ellie got it word before you, so I say $10 each. I hope somebody's keeping track.

I definitely don't want to cheat word.

[Speaker 3]
Shopping is a hard one.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, shopping.

[Speaker 2]
You can tear off, don't worry, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, I'm trusting you, Xiaoping, okay? Don't lose the paper. Hey, Xiaoping, you want to make $500?

Yes. Lose the paper.

[Speaker 2]
Bye, kitty. We can split the money.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Now, pratitya, right? Independent.

What does it mean? Dependent origination. What's a depend mean?

Okay, ten means depend, right? What does ten mean? It means one thing comes from the other thing as a cause.

It comes from a certain cause. Gen means factor, right? So when we say depend in dependent origination, it means a result comes from a cause.

Shejyate, that's what I'm talking about. That's what the Buddha's talking about. Don't forget this, especially in the early pages, Sugeng.

This is kind of a commentary on the sutra. There's only a few pages of sutra, so later on Vasubandhu's on his own, okay? But right now we're still referring to the sutra.

It's like meh and pushing. Tell me, Sugeng. Meh?

Sorry, what is meh again? You say what? Oh, meh, fire, oh, fire.

So like fire lighting up the firewood? Sorry, it's like fire and firewood. Jung means come from.

Jung means come from. Come from. Also the firewood comes from, the fire on the wood comes from fire?

No, the firewood doesn't come from the fire. I mean, the fire on the wood must have come from fire. Yeah, the fire comes from the wood, okay?

Oh, the fire comes from the wood. And he's using the verb meh lai, or depend. Here's the verb depend.

The fire occurs, Jung, depending on the wood, okay? Therefore, dependence in dependent origination refers to a result coming from a cause, okay? A later link coming from an earlier link, okay?

So he gave two examples. What are they? Kill the blacksmith, take the gold, take the precious metal that he was working on.

Or you can say fire comes from a firewood, okay? NU BYUNG NGO ZHES BYA BA BSTAN DE LAS ZHES BYA BA NGON NO What's the point here? Is that the fire has come from that basis.

Okay, from that basis. Okay, dependent origination, BSTAN, okay? I'm going to change it to from that basis.

Okay, so that's BSTAN, okay? Here is BSTAN used as a noun, right, Sugeng? Yes.

What famous BSTAN did we have in words text, Sugeng? The refrigerator, the basic. Nice, perfect, perfect.

I love the answer which doesn't cost me money. Good job. Let's read this one.

And Chundzom is checking, yay. DRIN LA BSTAN NAS CHAR BA PO ZHES BYA BA DRIN DU PA LAS ZHES BYA BA NGON NO Okay, DRIN means cloud, okay? Cloud.

What's that famous 10th level? Bodhisattva level.

[Speaker 3]
Dharma Megha.

[Speaker 1]
Dharma Megha, the cloud of the Dharma. Okay, so DRIN means cloud. And then CHAR PA falls from that.

Okay, CHAR PA means rain. We also had it in the last text we were studying today about unseasonable rainstorms and windstorms, right? POP means to fall down, okay?

So rain falls down depending on the clouds, okay? First you have the clouds and then you get the rain. Okay, ZHES BYA BA.

What happens to the clouds? They DU PA, they gather together, okay? This is an extremely important word in the study of causation, okay?

DU BYED PA, or cause thing, means RGYUD DANG RGYUN DU PA LAS CHU BA RGYUD DANG RGYUN DU PA LAS BYED PA, DU BYED, okay? Products are described as the result of the coming together or the convening of causes and conditions, okay? So this DU PA is extremely important word in your text because your text is talking about the causes and conditions come together and then the result comes out.

Each next link comes from that, okay? So ZHES BYA BA LUNG ROL, that's obvious, okay? That's a good example, he says.

We can observe cause and effect with the way that clouds work. The clouds represent causes and conditions. When they gather together, DU PA, then from that comes the CHAR PA, comes the rain, okay?

Now there's another kind of BSTAN and here's another kind of BSTAN. And Xiaoping knows what this one is because it's talking about men. It's talking about men, okay, medicine.

She had the Four Men's today, or yesterday, or I forget when it was, a couple of years ago.

[Speaker 2]
This morning, your time.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, for me, it's like a couple of years ago. All right, who is Chökyin Sugeng? I think Shinten.

You know, you're always checking him. Let's just make it official. That's a light song.

GANG RIS LA BRTEN NAS MEN GYEL ZHES BYA BA ZHI NI LAS ZHES BYA BAR NGON PA YIN GYIS JI LTAR GRU BYED NAS ZHES ZHA BA LTA BUR DU SNGA PHYI NI NI MA YIN NUNG Yeah, now this gets very interesting and sexy. Okay, what's GANG RIS? Snow mountain?

Snow mountain. Yeah, what's the Sanskrit?

[Speaker 3]
Himalaya.

[Speaker 1]
Himalaya. Himalaya or Himalaya? Yeah, so Himalaya means snow mountain.

Oh. Depending on the mountains, the MEN GYEL, the medicinal plants grow. And it's a tradition in Tibet that you get the best medicine plants from the highest mountains.

And they will go. Tibetan doctors will leave in the spring. They will climb the highest mountains and look for the most powerful herbs because they grow at the high, high places, okay?

So, that's a ZHI, okay? He's using the word ZHI instead of the word DEN, okay? Instead of the word DEN.

Up here he used DEN. Down here he used ZHI. It's the same thing, right?

DEN means basis. ZHI means basis. What's the famous basis in words text?

The root, the foundation. Yeah, KUN ZHI, KUN ZHI. The root of the foundation of everything, okay?

Now he's talking about a different kind of dependence again. He's talking about you have to picture a plant sitting in the dirt. You have to picture a plant supported by the dirt.

When we say a plant is supported by the dirt or a building is supported by the dirt, it is simultaneous dependence, okay? It's not like the dirt grew the building, okay? When we say dependent, that building is dependent on the earth, it's happening at the same time.

Both things are happening at the same time, okay? So, he's using here a plant which is sitting in the dirt. As an example, like a building, okay?

He's saying, I know the plant grew from the soil. I understand that. But after it grew, the soil is giving a support or a place for the plant to sit.

And the soil and the plant exist at the same time, okay? It's a dependence, but it's not a cause and effect dependence. It's a she and a braten.

It's like the dirt and the building, okay? And they're happening at the same time, okay? Get the difference?

You got the difference? This is a simultaneous dependence. The one before was a time dependence, right?

First one happened, progression. First you kill the goldsmith and then you steal the gold. Okay?

ZHI DE LAS ZHI BYA BA SNGON PA YIN GYI We can see it in that example. SNGON PA here means we can see it in that example. But this is not MA YIN, okay?

Here's the MA YIN. This is not SNGA SPYI. This is not, not, SNGA SPYI.

What's SNGA SPYI? The previous? Yeah, earlier and later, okay?

We're not talking about a progression. In the example above, he said YAN LAG SNGA MA LA BSTAN NAS YAN LAG PHYI MA BYUNG Depending on the earlier link, the later link happens, okay? He says it's not progression here.

It's not a time progression. It's not like, okay, here you guys go. I'm opening this up, this $30 bet to everybody.

Don't let word do everything. Nick, just cut his microphone for a couple of minutes. It's not like, okay, Xiaoping, I definitely think you can do this because you had it this morning.

It's not like you SA BA your say after LHAG PA true. You don't wash your hands. You don't eat after washing your hands.

Yeah. No, Nick, he said it's not like that. Right, that's right.

Good. It's not like you eat your food after washing your hands. Yeah, good.

It's not like, honey, Amélie, go wash your hands first, then come and eat, okay? Right, Shintian? Like it takes a long time to get your kids to do this.

I think so, okay? Now, Sugeng, explain this line to us. He says, the example on the mountain is not the same as the example in your kitchen in Singapore.

Okay, so I think what he's trying to tell us is that based on the definition and previous examples, the dependence that we are talking about in the dependence in the Wheel of Life is basically the consecutive progression relationship.

[Speaker 3]
Good.

[Speaker 1]
Instead of the other kind of dependence, which is happening simultaneously as shown by the example of the medicine and the dirt and the earth or the building and the earth. Good. Now, Sugeng, I'll teach you a bad American idiom.

Tell your wife to close her ears. Okay? Now Vasubandhu is going to F with your mind.

He's going to F with your mind, okay? He's going to say the dependent origination that the Buddha is talking about in the sutra here is the second one. Oh, wow, second one.

See, I'm right, right? Second one? Second one?

Oh, the simultaneous one? Yeah, oh my God. What's he talking about?

And then Vasubandhu tries to prove it. Okay, here we go. Who's checking is...

Let's get one of those kids from the other... Dr. Wu, you want to complain about Sugeng? It's nice.

How about... Okay, here we go. Tundeni chomden de ki do sen le.

Tunpani tenching drel par jungwe kangshena di tate di yu na di jung di kepe di kewa te she jawa yinno. Gyuyi dun yinte... He's going.

Gyuyi dun yinte dungar jawa tepe dun mayina jitarn di ta tenne she jawa drel par separ ches jena.

[Speaker 3]
Wow, good.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, again.

[Speaker 3]
No mistake.

[Speaker 1]
No, the mistake was he became a translator. Okay, what's shena, Sugeng? It's not the normal shena, right?

It's the same. After D, it has to be che, yeah. After D, ah, okay.

What's shena? Someone says? Yeah, if you say.

Now, this other guy's getting hot, okay? Like you did just now. He's like, wait a minute.

What are you talking about the same time dependence? What? What?

Why are you talking about this plant on the snow mountain at the same time? What are you talking about? This dun deng yi, the meaning of dependence, the Buddha himself in a Doshchen said, what's Doshchen?

Other sutra. In another sutra, Buddha said, look, tenpa. I'm going to...

By the way, that should be tenpa. I just figured it out. Maybe.

But we can't check it. We have no way to check it. But Geshe-la predicts one day we will see when we all become Buddhas.

Okay. Yeah, we're going to find out when we become Buddhas how much of this stuff we translated correctly. Tenpa ni, dependence refers to...

I'm going to take it back. I'm going to leave it tenpa. I'm sorry.

Okay. This teaching about one thing comes from another thing. What is that?

Kangshena, di pa te, it's like this. If this thing is here, then that thing will happen. If this thing starts, then that other thing will start.

The Buddha said that in the sutra, the other sutra, when he was describing what it means for depending. Therefore, we have to say... Who's talking again?

No, the other guy. The other guy. This whole section is the other guy.

Dependent is gyu du. Dependence is gyu du. Dependence is talking about gyu.

Cause? Yeah. It's talking about cause.

Buddha said, if this happens, that will happen. If this is here, that will be here. He's talking about causes.

Okay. Du nga chawa chepay du ma yin na. If that's not referring to something has to happen before, then what the heck are you talking about?

How can you say this happened because that happened? If we're talking about the mountain plant and the mountain, and we're talking about a dependence, which is not a progression in time, then how come the Buddha said, if this happens, then that will happen? That's definitely talking about causes, gyu du.

Why? Because that's talking about something has to happen before, and then something else will happen. Got it?

Which, what the wording here says, look, if Buddha in that other sutra is not talking about something has to happen first, then what's he talking about? Then what do you think he's talking about? Okay.

Got it? Yeah. All right, Sugeng?

Yes. We are talking about, I don't know, it's time. Wait, we got to finish one more line.

Forget the time. Di chi nge par ten la, papar jau. Where, do you want to make a hundred bucks again?

Sure. Oh, wait, no. Yeah, okay.

Tell me why this is a joke. The chi about what's coming afterwards? Yeah, you're close, you're close.

Make it more clear. Make it more clear. Because we were just talking about...

Ten la apa chawo means we will figure this out chi. Later. Oh, this is coming, this will come later?

Yeah, it's a joke. Got it? I think that's a $50 answer word to my $100 question.

Okay. Okay, why, why am I saying, why did I bring up the plant? Why did I bring up the mountain?

I'll tell you. Later. Next class.

No, he's playing with the word later. It's very funny. In the Tibetan, it's very funny.

He says, oh, you want it to be earlier and later? You want to know why it's not earlier and later? I'll tell you.

Later. Later. Okay.

By the way, vasubandhu is, these great, great teachers like Nagarjuna, but they are funny. They are really funny. When they want to be funny, they, they're kind of funny, nobody gets it.

Okay, here we go. VASIBUKHI JUKSINGETHAKTRA VRIRABLINGSINGINDENGENPAGI SANGGE SINGDUMIKTEVULWARGI DOKUNNAMDAKSINGLACUPARSHOK IDAMGURU RATNAMANDALAKAMNIRYATAYAMI GYEWADI GYEWOKUN SUDAMYESE CHONGZOGSYI SUDAMYESE LEJUNGWE DAMPAR KUNYITOPARSHOK Yay! Thank you, Geshe-la.

Thank you very much. Oh, yeah, this book's going to take a while. I can't sleep.

It's all like this, again. Nothing's going to be easy in your book.

[Speaker 3]
I'm jealous Vasubandhu doesn't do that in Abhidharma.