Стэнли Чен — Книга 2: Красноречивые слова о сути океана высшего знания (Гьялцаб Чже о «Своде высшего знания» — Абхидхарма-самуччае), занятие 10

[Speaker 2]
You know it.

[Speaker 1]
Well, everybody get ready for class. Today we've got an exciting journey into Abhidharma. Stanley Chan's text.

As soon as Geshe Michael are ready, we'll start the learning experience, the deep dive into ancient wisdom.

[Speaker 2]
Geshe Michael, there's a mouse on your shirt.

[Speaker 1]
I know. He cut the foot off my cat. It's a cat.

It's my cat's foot. Your lucky cat. There's a note here that says your microphone is 10 times louder than us.

We're working on it. All right, all right. I think those fuzzy mice are going to help.

Yeah, they're also cute. Okay, well, we've got to probably get this right. Looks like some other cafes.

It's the mold. Yeah, it's the mold that grows.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, can you guys hear me well? I'm also wearing the hat. No?

[Speaker 1]
It could be louder. Hello. It could be a bit.

Okay, can you guys hear me well? When you hold it to your lips, it's a little better. Hello, hello, hello.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, let me see. Very, very soft.

[Speaker 1]
I would start yelling suggestions, but I know you've got like three tech or four tech people over there. All right.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, there's probably one, two, three. Did you check the flux capacity? All right.

Is it good? No. Can you guys hear us?

It's people on the inside. No.

[Speaker 1]
We can hear you a little louder than this here, Michael. Hello, hello. Hello, hello.

My cat is missing a foot.

[Speaker 2]
Hi, everyone. Can you hear me?

[Speaker 1]
Hello, people.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. They say I'm still soft. Wait.

It's not clear you've made any adjustments at all.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I guess your mic is still the same soft level. When you moved your microphone closer to your mouth, it got a little louder, Stanley.

[Speaker 2]
How about now?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's right. Right.

[Speaker 2]
Jesus. Okay. Hey, Stanley, we should have a game.

Let's give it up. Use the computer. Yeah.

Okay. We're going to let the cat out. No, no, not that one.

Oh, hello. Oh, there you go. Okay.

Good. Is it better, you guys? Hello?

[Speaker 1]
Is it better?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Is it better, Ben? Yes.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
The high tech doesn't work. Okay. That's okay.

We tried.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, cool.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. So, welcome to the exciting Abhidharma class. We have three questions for you, not one, not two.

[Speaker 1]
So, remember, we were talking about there were five ways of commenting a classic by Master Basubandhu, and the last one is Gaolan. Oh, good. The response to questions.

Okay.

[Speaker 2]
And so, in that section, we talked about there are two typical ways to have problems or contradictions in a scripture that needs some responses. What are these two? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Words. Oh, no.

One said contradiction to logic and contradiction to words.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
The holy words of the scripture. Totally correct.

[Speaker 1]
100%.

[Speaker 2]
And then, what's the Tibetan for these two? Yes. What's lung and what's rig?

Yeah. Oh, so, I have a side question. If it's contradiction to lung, which is scripture, what's the scripture in this case?

Does it have to be, in Tim's case, the Buddha's words, like Buddha's teachings? Sutra. Sutra.

[Speaker 1]
Or not.

[Speaker 2]
Or not. Yes. It's dedicated to Tim.

[Speaker 1]
When you meditate, nobody's quiet. When you ask a homework question, it's totally quiet.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Gaolan said it doesn't have to be the sutra only. Why?

[Speaker 1]
Because there are scriptures that are not just the holy words of the Buddha's words, but there's some scriptures.

[Speaker 2]
Right, right. I guess it's more like a general contradiction. Shastras.

To any scripture or shastra.

[Speaker 1]
I thought it was about contradiction between what a person wrote at one time and then what they wrote at another time. That they do not contradict themselves. Oh, that's one kind of contradiction.

But generally, when you talk about the two kinds, you're talking about, does it contradict logic? Right. Okay, so it's not rong tsik gyelwa.

Not in this instance. Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
When you say lung rik, not in this instance. Either you contradict logic, which is kind of like rikpas, or you contradict the holy scriptures, which could become your tenure.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, I see. Cool. Okay, second question.

Don't look at the answer.

[Speaker 1]
So now getting into lists. I think we have a lot of lists today.

[Speaker 2]
So what was this? According to what I understood, it could be wrong, but there are nine topics of the whole book. Or maybe not.

[Speaker 1]
Roughly. Roughly. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Well, and then we talked about the first one in the last class, which is related to du dang and qi jie. So what's du dang and qi jie?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
First is got it. How many and why? Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Then what's it? That's a hint. So what's the first topic?

How many?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
How many of what? Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. I want to see online if any of them can guess. Yeah.

But nobody yet. Anyone want to guess? How many and why?

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Tin said how many? But basically, yes.

Juan is right again. Here we are talking about the five heaps. So it refers to the categories of the universe.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
And in the culture, there are different ways to divide that. It could be five heaps. It could be 12 sets of doors.

It could be 18 categories.

[Speaker 1]
And then why there are such numbers. So that's the why part. Geshe-la, is du dang how many?

Or is it just du? It's du.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
But it's okay. We don't want to have du. So it's okay.

[Speaker 2]
What is du dang?

[Speaker 1]
Well, it means and. So it means first category. But the commentator says du dang.

He agrees with you.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
He does it your way.

[Speaker 2]
We have the Chinese on his commentary.

[Speaker 1]
Does it say dang also?

[Speaker 2]
I can't tell from the Chinese. But it says how many.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Question number three. This is very inspiring, if you remember.

[Speaker 1]
If you master this book, Abhidhamma Samuccaya, all these nine topics, there are two main benefits, which are a little bit unexpected.

[Speaker 2]
Your mind will become single-pointed. You get to go to the cafe. And you will reach shamatha.

Venerable Uppala said something like shamatha. Sorry, we couldn't hear you.

[Speaker 1]
Your mind will become single-pointed and you will be happy.

[Speaker 2]
Right. Yeah. That's the shamatha part.

And vipashyana, actually, both. So you will reach perfect. Yeah.

So you will reach perfect meditation in both shamatha and vipashyana. How do you pronounce vipashyana wrongly? Vipashyana.

[Speaker 1]
Vipashyana. We have to have some accent. Vipashyana.

Yeah. Brian got it.

[Speaker 2]
Vipashyana. Yeah. Yeah.

So what's the other benefit? So that's one. Your mind will become balanced.

That's still the one.

[Speaker 1]
Hasso.

[Speaker 2]
Hasso.

[Speaker 1]
Hasso actually takes notes. Yeah, I know. He's checking his notes.

So now there's two people who take notes. So you will be able to improve your thinking process. Yeah.

Yeah. You figure out things easily. And you have answers for all the difficult questions, both from yourself and from other people.

It's really cool. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Cool.

[Speaker 1]
Huh? I'm waiting. We just started.

But it's 40 years. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm counting on that 40 years. Basically, yeah. Number one, improve your thinking, your mental.

Geshe-la said there were mental faculties.

[Speaker 2]
Does it make sense?

[Speaker 1]
It's okay.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. It's perfect. I like this one.

So you reach some kind of inner achievement. And also, you'll be able to answer questions very clearly to other people in yourself.

[Speaker 1]
And then in the contest, it mentioned you have to master this book to gain this to benefit.

[Speaker 2]
What's the word master in Tibetan? Kepa. Kepa.

Yes. Is that team?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Oh, Geshe-la, I thought Kepa, it's a noun. That's a noun.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
It's a noun? Oh, it is a noun.

[Speaker 1]
Kepa ja, you can say.

[Speaker 2]
Oh.

[Speaker 1]
B-Y-A. Become a master. Kepa ja.

Oh. B-Y-A. B-Y-A.

B-Y-A. B-Y-A. Oh, that's become a master.

Yeah, become a master. Oh, cool.

[Speaker 2]
That's great.

[Speaker 1]
That second character spelled wrong. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
That's Jinaputra's Chinese version, which mentions two benefits. This is shamatha, shamatha. This is vipashyana, vipashyana.

[Speaker 1]
Vipashyana.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. And then the other one says, let's see. Yeah, you will be able to master all the fine points skillfully, and then you can answer everything.

[Speaker 1]
Wow. Make a lot of money. And when you are facing any different opinions from different books, you are fearless.

Yeah, very cool. Okay, that's it, Geshe-la. Okay, cool.

That's my part. Did you have to translate anything?

[Speaker 2]
Sorry, I didn't.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. All right, here we go. Okay, get these guys up here.

So, here's where we stopped on April 20th, and I'm lost in this book. I don't feel comfortable. It's been chaotic.

To me, it's been chaotic. The book so far has been chaotic, and it's not following a normal outline. I don't know, I got frustrated.

There were too many lists. Sometimes the lists cross over each other. Sometimes they don't.

Sometimes the number is unexpected. He adds things. He changes things.

I got frustrated with the book, so I stopped a couple days ago, and I spent many hours on it, just because I'm frustrated. I wanted to understand what the hell is going on in the book. And so, what I did was, when you feel super frustrated about a book, in one of the ancient books, you can go to the outline.

You can, what I do is, I will create another document, and I'll start writing out their outline. And that's a long process, and it's tiresome. It takes many hours to write it out, their outline.

But I like to do it, especially if I'm lost in a book. I like to redo that. I like to go do the outline.

So, what I propose today, before we go on getting deeper and more lost, I suggest we go through what we've covered already from the outline, and then I think you'll be very comfortable with the book. You'll feel much more comfortable with the book, and then you'll understand it, and you'll be able to go on to the rest of the book, which is a long, long process. So, I propose, if Stanley's okay with it, we're going to go to the outline.

So, I'm going to search for the outline. Yeah, here it is. I put it at the end of the book, at the end of the translation.

This is page 700, which will be page 6,000 when we finish translating. So, the book is basically called The Essence of the Sea, which I think is a beautiful name for a book. So, I'm going to ask Stanley to read that.

Let's just read as we go, okay? Let me get a big cursing here. Okay, good.

Okay, please read this first line.

[Speaker 2]
LHAG PA SHES PA CHOS NGON RGYAL SOGS RGYAL TSUL TSUL RGYAL TSUL NIM PO ZHUGS PA'I RU'I PHYOGS LA RU'I PHYOGS LA Yeah, LHAG PA SHES PA means to go?

[Speaker 1]
Lekshay? Yeah, good explanation, good explanation. He's advertising his book in the beginning of the name.

Who's he? RGYAL TSUB BYED Jetsangkapa's prime disciple. CHOS NGON CHOS NGON PA Abhidharma.

Yeah, CHOS means Dharma, NGON means Abhidharma. CHOS NGON PA is the Tibetan word for Abhidharma, which means higher knowledge, okay? Higher knowledge.

RGYAL TSUL, you guys know. Ocean. NIM PO, you know.

Yeah, the essence or the heart of the ocean. ZHUGS PA means herein contained. It's that.

Then he says RU'I PHYOGS. RU'I means what? Middle.

It means middle way usually, but a different spelling can mean head with the S. I take it here to be... He's talking about...

I take it to be the first part. So this is a very long commentary, extremely long. So we're on the first part.

Here's the... Please read this one, Stanley.

[Speaker 2]
THUGS RJE CHEN PO THANG LDAN PA NAM LA CHAGS SEL BA Yeah, and I supplied this, okay?

[Speaker 1]
He didn't make an outline for this part. Prostration to the Beings. THUGS RJE means in Sanskrit.

Karuna. Karuna, with a retroflex N. Karuna.

Karuna. Maha Karuna. Big, big compassion.

CHAGS SEL Bow down. Yeah, I bow down to the people who have great compassion. After he finishes that, he goes...

The other CHAGS SEL. So that's the more general CHAGS SEL to all the lineage. And then he...

DAM BYA BA DAM BYA BA He makes a promise. To do what? Finish it.

Finish or die. He finished, okay. All right, and now we start the outline.

Okay, and you want to have someone else read, Stanley? I don't know.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, and you could do the cursor.

[Speaker 2]
I don't think we can squeeze another person here.

[Speaker 1]
You can put a chair here.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, let's start with Tin. Tin Hunian?

[Speaker 1]
Me? Please read this. Yeah.

TSE'EN GYI THUN Nice. Very good. Okay.

TSE'EN GYI THUN Which means what, Stanley? The meaning of that sentence. Yeah, the meaning of the name.

So first he's going to explain the name. What was the name?

[Speaker 2]
Essence of the... Oh, excellent words.

[Speaker 1]
But what's the commentary to?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, Abhidharma Samuccaya.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Abhidharma Samuccaya. The collection, the compendium of higher knowledge. Samuccaya.

Okay. Then, Tin, what's the next one? Where is...

RGYUL GYI CHAGS Yeah, what... RGYUL GYI CHAGS TSAL What's that mean? Bow, bow down.

The prostration of the gyur. Gyur. Gyurwa.

This means translator. Oh, gyurwa translator. And that's not part of the original book.

It's the prostration by the two Tibetan translators. Usually there's this... An Indian...

There's usually a team of four people, two Tibetans, two Indians. It was a good system. It was a very good system.

Maybe we can use it for the Diamond Cutter Press. Okay. TSE'EN GYI...

Sorry. Tin, one more. Yeah, TSE'EN GYI THUN Yeah, TSE'EN GYI THUN.

What's TSE'EN, you guys? It's the major text. Yeah, the major text.

The text itself. So, then he's going to start the meaning of the actual text, which is the... By the way, these outlines are notoriously unbalanced.

Okay. The commentary on the prostration takes two lines. The commentary on the TSE'EN takes 40 years.

Okay. So, these outlines... Some people try to split the English translations that way.

So, the translator's prostration is two sentences. And then there's a whole new part for the whole book. And it's wrong.

It's silly. It should be balanced. The parts of the book should be balanced.

It shouldn't be one page and then 5,000 pages. You can't follow the topical outline as a quantity outline in English. It doesn't work.

It's a bad idea, but some people do. Okay. Stanley, who's next?

Duoduo. Duoduo. Sorry, which one?

LUS NAM PA SHAG PA Nice. What's LUS? The body?

Yeah, and this means the body of the text. The body of the book. Okay, so this is the main body of the explanation.

The explanation, the outline, the main treatment of the whole book. NAM PA SHAG PA Okay. Keep going, Duoduo.

LEN LANG BA Nice. LEN LANG BA Yeah. Both high tone.

LEN LANG BA LEN means a conversation. And in this case it means... And you know LENG SHI in Vinaya.

What's that? The original incident. Yeah, the original incident, for example.

So it means a conversation. LEN LANG BA means he's going to open the conversation. And that's where he puts the DOM.

Oh yeah, that's coming right. He starts referring to the DOM. So the Abhidharma Samuccaya begins with about 15 lines of a summary of the whole book, DOM.

And Stanley was referring to it. So you have to get used to the word DOM. And DOM means...

DOM PA can mean vows. DOM can mean advice. But DOM, in a book it means a summary.

So the Abhidharma Samuccaya original, it begins with a summary of the whole book. And we got the Sanskrit of the DOM. And I like it because to me it helps me understand the whole DOM.

It breaks down. As you can see, sometimes you can continue the numbering for 20 different items, or some people count them differently to 10 items or something like that. The first nine are easy, and then it breaks down a little bit.

But here's the... We said DU DANG CI PHYIR, right? That's what Stanley was talking about in his homework.

DU means how many, which is SKAD DI. And then CI PHYIR means kasmat. And then NYER LEN is upadhanam.

SEMS is lakshanam. DE'I RNAM PAR ZHAGS means tadyavishtita, sthiti. KHO RIM means krama.

That's also the word for steps of the path. VIKRAM is a common Indian name. ARTA, like Siddhartha, means meaning.

PE is upamya. And YEWA is vedashcha, which became the V-I-D in divide, in the word divide. Okay.

And those are the main nine topics in this summary. And what I realized when I went back and I went through it carefully, and something that's going to make you feel better about this book, is that he never explains any of these. Okay?

And I thought I was frustrated. I thought I was wrong. I didn't understand something.

He does not explain them. He doesn't even number them for us. So apparently it's coming later.

So here's the opening page of the book that he's commenting on. He mentions the summary, DOM. He gives the DOM.

He talks about the DOM, but he never explains it. He never explains what the different things are. And then I was so relieved.

And that's because either people explain it at the beginning and they lose you because you haven't reached the concepts yet. See, that's what they do with the Abhidharmakosha, like the commentary that I grew up on by Gendun Drup, the first big teacher. He tries to explain the summary at the beginning.

And you get lost immediately because it takes 400 pages to explain it. And Gyaltsabje doesn't even bother. And that made me so relieved because I didn't understand it.

And you're not supposed to. He doesn't want to explain the book before he explains the book. Got it?

Later, when you finish, you'll go back to the summary and say, oh, that means that, and that means that. So I don't know. I felt really good about it.

Is DONG always in verses in general? No, it's kind of unusual. It's kind of unusual.

DONG can also mean advices. But here it means a summary. And by the way, the last line here, DUNG LAS GRUB PA'I PHYI STONG YIN means, this is my summary of the whole Abhidharma Samuccaya.

This is my summary of the whole Samuccaya. It is not in the Sanskrit. He's added that.

And so that's kind of frustrating also. It's somehow in Chinese. I checked the DONG.

He adds that line?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's not in the Sanskrit. It's not in the Sanskrit that we have. I checked and I couldn't find it.

Okay, let's keep going on the outline. So the first point of today's class is to realize there's an outline. You understand the words of the outline and you don't understand what the outline's about.

And he doesn't want you to. Okay, so then I was just so relieved. I was in the Peachtree Cafe with Tim and I was like, ah, I'm not supposed to understand this.

Okay, all right, who's reading next, Stanley? Let me see. Juan, please.

Here, come. Oh, we don't have our total set up yet. We're getting there.

Okay. Ooh, handsome guy. Looks like he should be a news announcer or something.

[Speaker 2]
DONG GYI NGO BO RLU GSUNG BA Yeah, what's NGO BO mean, did I say?

[Speaker 1]
Essence. Essence, okay. RLU GSUNG BA means to identify.

NGO means general meaning of the face. GSUNG BA means to hold. So RLU GSUNG means to hold the face.

It means to identify somebody. He's going to identify the essence of the DONG. He's going to tell you what was the summary for, but he doesn't tell you what the summary's about.

Okay, and he admits that. Danny gives you, Juan? SHI'I RNAM SHAG SHI'I, give me that double I.

SHI'I RNAM SHAG SHI'I RNAM SHAG Okay, SHI'I RNAM SHAG means what? What's SHI'? CHI CHE DANG Oh, CHI CHE means general.

RNAM SHAG means treatment. So he's going to give you like an overview. SHI'I RNAM SHAG means an overview.

Again, he's not treating the famous DONG. He's not explaining the pieces of the famous summary of the book. Then Juan.

KHABS SU BAP PA'I DUN SHES PA Yeah, KHABS SU BAP PA means relevant to the context. BAP means false. KHABS means context or situation.

So KHABS SU BAP PA means let's... And what I realized later, he's making an excuse for why he's not going to cover the DONG. He said, let's just go on to some relevant stuff.

And you're like, wait a minute, you didn't explain the summary. He's like, yeah, I don't want to because that's the whole goddamn book. Okay, so KHABS SU BAP PA'I DUN.

Let's treat a few ideas that are sticking out. Let's not try to cover the whole summary. And by the way, I'm following Gyaltsabje's outline.

He outlines the whole, like a good Tsongkhapaian, which is what I prefer to call the whole sect, by the way. Like Tsongkhapaians. He has a very stringent outline.

And artificial, it's imposed. It's not in the original book. They imposed the outline.

Stringent, you're saying? Strict.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, keep going, KHABS SU BAP PA'I DUN NGE'I BZHIN PA. Yeah, this NGE'I is instrumental. So what's it mean?

Five? Yeah, five. With five topics, I'll give an explanation.

What explanation? I'm not explaining the summary. Yeah, I'm just explaining some relevant points.

I was so relieved because I didn't understand the DONG. And I'm not supposed to understand the DONG. But he didn't tell me I was not supposed to understand the DONG.

So here's some random points that he wants to bring up. And then he goes to Master Vasubandhu. He goes to little brother.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, that's where we were before.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, which is totally illegal. Like GAL SUB RJ goes to the little brother for some random... Not random, I mean, they're relevant, but they're not the summary.

And so I feel so much better. So then he brings up five points from the little brother, Vasubandhu, about how to understand a presentation. It doesn't even apply specifically to the Abhidharma Sankhya.

Vasubandhu says, hey, anytime you start a new book, there's five things you might want to do. They have nothing to do with this book in particular. You can stretch them to this book.

And then by this time, he's way off the summary. And he never comes back. And I just never noticed.

So here we go. Here's the five suggestions that the little brother gives anytime you'd want to eat a big book. Okay, here's five suggestions.

Who's going to read the first one, Juan? Yeah, so we're going to have five. Here's the first one.

These are Vasubandhu's suggestions to how to digest a big book. And he says, first of all, what's the gupa of this whole tenchu? The purpose.

Yeah, what's the purpose? Then Gyaltsabje goes and gets nine purposes of the whole book. He goes and finds nine purposes to the whole book.

I artificially put them in the outline. They are not part of Gyaltsabje's outline. But they're useful for understanding his outline.

So I thought we could read them for fun. And we need a new victim. Okay.

Thank you, victim. Mr. Timothy? Let's go.

With the hat. No, you look like a pandita, Indian pandita. Takes 40 years.

And by the way, I edited these purposes because they were too long. So I just shortened them. It's okay, Tibetan, but just so you know, I shortened them.

Okay. So please read the first one. li doja tepa sung gi lam la kepar jawa Yeah, and we had kepar jawa.

I want to make people master of the lam, of the tepa sung, of the three different ways. What are the three different ways? Yeah, which means, the implication is, if you study this Abhidharma Samuccaya, unlike the Abhidharma Kosha, you will become a master of the higher way and the lower way.

Okay, you can say higher way and lower way. That's a good advertisement. The purpose for writing this book in the first place by Master Sangha, Arya Sangha, was he wanted to educate people of all jhanas.

Higher jhana, lower jhana.

[Speaker 2]
Actually, I wonder if he wrote it before the Kosha afterwards.

[Speaker 1]
It has to be after, I think. But it's not necessarily the case. Kosha treats seven earlier Abhidharma books.

[Speaker 2]
Right.

[Speaker 1]
So it could be either way.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I'm just interested.

[Speaker 1]
Tim. Tim. Is parenthesis, is that an English parenthesis?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, Kepar Jawa is the same. Master. Teach them to become masters of rang gi lam.

Alpa. No, their own pa. Okay, so he says, I'm going to re-educate the lower, the Hinayana guy, so they're better at their own path.

Here's Arya Sangha, the Mahayana master. He says, by the time you're done, I'll make you better Hinayana than you were before. Okay, modest.

Typically modest. Alpa means normal or common, and it's kind of an insult in Tibetan. Okay.

Dolja means disciples. So what's palpa dolja? Normal?

It's nyen tu and rang sang gye. Which way is always shortened to nyen rang? Listeners and self-made Buddhists.

By the time you get done with my mind-only statement of Abhidharma, you'll be a better Abhidharmaist. He's advertising it. You'll be a better Hinayana practitioner by the time you guys finish my hybrid book, my Abhidharma mind-only hybrid book.

That's the second purpose of the Abhidharma.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Third purpose. Yeah, I'll get you into the dena of the thechen. I'll get you three baskets.

The pitika? Yeah, the basket of the greater way. Without lopa.

Without making any mistakes. Okay. I will ease you guys into the higher way.

Mahayana. Who was these guys? Yeah, the ones he mentioned in the last one.

Those Hinayana guys. He said, I'll introduce you to the higher way in a way that you won't screw up. Okay.

All right. That's his advertisement.

[Speaker 2]
That's what he did to his younger brother.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's what he did to his younger brother. Saved in his tongue. Okay.

Tim, one more. This is misspelled somewhere. I'm gonna...

Hang on. That go is wrong somehow. I must have misspelled it.

Hang on. You can search the whole book. Nope.

No, okay, forget it. Anyway, I think it means ma koa, which means what you don't understand. I'll fix this later.

Okay. All right. One more, Tim.

Oh, Geshe-la, you didn't explain it. Oh, yeah. Even after they enter the higher way, who?

[Speaker 2]
The lower guys.

[Speaker 1]
Those previous lower guys. What they don't understand, I'll make sure they get it. Okay.

I'll make sure they get it. Like they're attracted to the Mahayana, but they don't grasp the Mahayana. I'll help them.

Okay. Nice. You want to do one more with Tim?

I don't know.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Yeah, this is talking about people who chakpa about dongpa yi, who get scared, who get freaked out. Chak means to get freaked out.

They get freaked out by emptiness because they take dzinpa, the trang den, the way it's not supposed to be taken, jishin mayimba. Yeah, they misunderstand the statements of the second turning of the wheel, where Lord Buddha said, the Heart Sutra, for example. They freaked out.

Okay, so that's a fifth purpose of what? Dhamma samuccaya. Dhamma samuccaya.

He's gonna get into trang e. Oh. Okay.

He's gonna get into interpreting radical statements by Lord Buddha. Okay. Because those guys got freaked out.

Who's those guys? The lower school guys who are just getting into the higher school. The lower jhana guys who he's squeezed into the mahayana, but they're not comfortable yet with certain statements.

Okay, good. Let's choose somebody else. Okay.

Lindsay? Lindsay. Thank you, Lindsay, for feeding all of these growing families of the translators.

Nguor? Nguor. Nguor.

Nguor. No tongue. Nguor.

Nguor. Nguor. From the back of your mouth.

Nguor. Keep your tongue down on your lower jaw.

[Speaker 2]
Nguor.

[Speaker 1]
It forces you to make the right noise. Just close your throat. Nguor.

Nguor. Okay. Ador dupa lai gaway nguor.

Ador du ten. Nice, ten. No, don't be like Nick.

It's a ten. All right, just kidding, Nick. Okay, you got better.

Ever since you've moved away from the table. Okay. No, welcome back, by the way.

It's so nice to have you here. Ador dupa lai. People who like dupa, du dupa, they like short presentations.

People who enjoy the Heart Sutra rather than the 100,000 verse Prajnaparamita. Okay, that's called ador dupa lai gaway. People who enjoy shorter presentations.

Nguor means to their face. Okay. It's a locative.

The R is a L. To them, to their, to them, ador du. We make a short presentation.

Okay. Can you anticipatory translate the next line? Yeah, yeah.

So for the people who want, you know, a brief summary so they can get to the cafe faster, give them a short one. And then in number seven, please read.

[Speaker 2]
Ador dupa lai gaway.

[Speaker 1]
Nguor. Nguor. Gye.

Gye wa.

[Speaker 2]
Gye pa tenpa.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, tenpa. No, no aspiration. Tenpa.

It doesn't exist in English. Da, da. Okay.

What's it mean? Dawa means they enjoy. People who enjoy longer.

Yeah, people enjoy long presentation. To their face, meaning to them. This is a very famous expression, especially with emptiness.

Gye wa thay yipa. Infinite examples. Infinite examples.

Okay. Tenpa means teach them. Yeah, you say cool, but you see there's people who say, oh, I don't want that.

Just give me the Heart Sutra. Yeah, okay. That shows what kind of person you are.

He's like, yeah, cool. Give me endless examples of emptiness. Okay.

Okay, we've got seven purposes. Finished. We got two more to go.

Nengzi. So de nyampar sowa by nyampar gyepar ja. Gyepar ja.

Sowa means like sojourn. To fix them from. Okay.

And these are the sutras which have nyampa. Nyampa means degenerated. Okay.

So part of the purpose of writing the Abhidharma Samuccaya is to restore the ancient sutras which were lost or corrupted. And on the other side, if they didn't nyampa, I want to gyepar them. Yeah, I want to spread them.

The sutras that were damaged... And by the way, that's what the input project does. If they've been damaged, let's fix them.

If they're not damaged, let's spread them. Okay, that's all. Okay, last of the nine purposes.

Nengzi. Yeah, here's the classic subject matter of the Abhidharmakosha. First chapter.

Hong Kong Keche. Of the three? Yep, which is five heaps, 12 doors of sense, and 18 categories.

Total of 35. Keep it in your mind, because he'll be saying 35 over and over again. He won't tell you what he's talking about.

Okay, it's not 35. It's the 35 divisions of reality. And then there's a very radical statement.

If you become a kepa in those 35, you will achieve two pinions. It'll do two good things for you. By the way, the first one is divided into two itself.

And here's his claim. What's his radical claim? It's the two benefits, right?

Shamatha and... Yeah, it's actually three, but the two of them is... Right, right.

You will gain Shamatha and Vipashyana. I've never seen that, ever, never. I never heard any Abhidharma guy claim that by studying those 35 super boring topics, that you will suddenly be able to see emptiness.

And that's a beautiful, beautiful claim. And it's such a beautiful way to end the benefits of his book. He says, you learn those 35 super boring topics, you're going to get Shamatha and Vipashyana.

And I've never seen anyone say that. And that's a really good sales point. Okay, so those are the nine.

I added them to the outline, because he didn't formally add them. Okay, so you said there are three, isn't it? Two or three.

Two or three what? Benefits. So Shamatha and Vipashyana.

Oh, we're getting there. Oh, it's not, but it's not here. No, he doesn't cover it there.

But it's coming. Yeah, the first one is divided into two, Vipashyana and Shamatha. The second one is...

Okay, here we go. By the way, we're about to reach the second of the five of Vasubandhu's five. Asanga has switched over to his little brother's five points, okay?

Five points about the new Abhidhamma, okay? First one was nine benefits. Here's the second one.

You want, Lindsay, to do one more? Dupa means summary, okay? And he says, I'll give you a summary of the whole shastra, which means Abhidhamma, Samuccaya.

I'll give you a summary of the whole new Abhidhamma, okay? Got it? And this is where he inserts the five Samuccayas.

Oh, I see. So now you can start to understand where the hell he is, because he's been jumping around like... There were, by the way, yesterday I was translating Tsongkhapa, there were two bad habits that arhats have before they get enlightened in the Hinayana.

Number one, they jump around like monkeys when they get excited. Number two, they call people bad names like... What's their bad names like?

What do you call a cleaning lady? Maid. Yeah, maid, housemaid.

They say, you're just a housemaid. It's like super subtle bad deeds of people who are arhats but not yet enlightened. It's called nengen len.

It's called subtle traces of bad deeds. When they get excited, they move like they have to go to the bathroom. And when they get really frustrated with somebody, they say, you are a maid, old maid.

Yeah, something like that. Anyway, that's not how you do it here. So he's going to summarize the whole shastra, and then he skips to the samuchayas.

Because inside the samuchaya there's five samuchayas, which is extremely confusing. So here's our five samuchayas inside the samuchaya. Who do you want to read?

[Speaker 2]
Mr. Fixer.

[Speaker 1]
Mr. Fixer. Are we doing okay on time?

[Speaker 2]
Oh yeah, let me see. Seven. Seven minutes.

[Speaker 1]
Oh wow, okay.

[Speaker 2]
We can take over the 15 discussion.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's true. Let's do that.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Here's the five what? Kuntu. Yeah, the samuchayas inside the samuchaya.

So the samuchaya itself has five samuchayas. The summary has five summaries, and those are the five chapters of the summary. Each one of the chapters of the summary is called a summary.

Here's the first one. Rob. Which means the summary about definitions.

And that's heavy data, heavy information chapter. Okay, and I'm giving you an idea of the quantity of material. Okay, it's about 29 folios.

Multiply times eight to get the English. 240 pages of English in the first chapter, which is data, information. Okay, raw data about Amitabha.

First chapter. I guess it's the five cubes and things like that. Yeah, it is, heavily.

And here's the second samuchaya inside the samuchaya. Okay. Rob.

Yeah, and a presentation of the truth. And by the way, he changes the name. The name of the second chapter is no longer samuchaya.

It's vinishchaya. Which means the discrimination or the ascertainment. Ascertainment.

The first samuchaya is called samuchaya. The second samuchaya is called vinishchaya, which means ascertainment rather than compendium. Okay, but in situ means in the actual chapter.

They refer to it as the second samuchaya. So it's super confusing. Okay, the second samuchaya is not called samuchaya and it is a samuchaya.

Plus there's six samuchayas. I've got six, okay. But the last four, the latter four of the five, the last four of the five samuchayas, their technical name is vinishchaya, which means ascertainment rather than summary.

Okay. But in the actual chapter, they call them samuchayas. So again, where do they call them vinishchayas?

Uh, in the end of the chapter. They call it that. Inside the chapter, they call them samuchayas.

At the end of the chapter, they call them vinishchayas. It's very confusing. Okay, all right.

That's 27 folios totaled. About a similar amount of information. That's about 225 pages or something in English.

Okay, third chapter, Ram. Uh, yeah, the ascertainment of dharmas in situ called samuchaya number three. Okay, okay.

But it's a vinishchaya, okay. The last four of the five chapters are called vinishchayas, which is very confusing because they're also samuchayas. Okay, okay.

Uh, but very important. If you had to divide the whole book, you would divide it one plus four. Uh, one, heavy data presentation.

Two, three, four, five, interpretation of the heavy data. Ascertainment, okay, okay. Yeah, and that's why they're ascertaining.

Okay. Very interesting. Okay, so it's five chapters.

First chapter, information. Last four chapters, interpretation. And they roughly divide into two halves.

Not by quantity, but by subject matter.

[Speaker 2]
And the second half has four parts.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, exactly. Four famous parts. Okay, which are reflected in the dome.

Oh, I see. They're listed in the dome. If you know how to read the dome, they're in there.

Okay, that's a long story. All right, number four, topa. Topa nampar nepa?

Yeah, ascertainment of achievements. Okay, of achievements. Which in Siddhu is called the fourth sammuchaya.

Okay, of the five. Okay. And then last one, Rob.

Wait, wait. Drawe, tham, nampar, nepa, kunle, tupa. Yeah, here he mixes the two words.

It's the Finnish chaya sammuchaya. Okay. And then this is a famous mistake.

Belwe tham and drawe tham. Okay, and you got to get used to it. Half the time they're going to be calling it belwe tham, and half the time they're going to be calling it drawe tham.

Drawa is about a hundred times more common than belwa. But the correct reading is belwa. Okay, so all through history, people have carved an extra rata under the bel and turned it into drawe, which means connection, which is extremely common.

Belwa is extremely rare. Okay, and there's another. There's the five parts of the book.

How do we know that it's, is it that right there that makes it belwa? Oh, you take out the r. Okay.

But I warn you, you're going to see it both ways through the whole book. When you see it, think of belwa means discussion, sankatya, it's a discussion, rather than a connection. Bel is like tendrel, dependent origination.

So it's a, it's an error that's been made for 1800 years. Okay, very difficult, and it really makes life difficult. Okay, now that's the five.

We're, we're, we're into this. We're into the second suggestion of Vasubandhu for how to treat a book. How many suggestions totally has?

Five. We're just in the second suggestion, which is, give me a summary of the book. Okay, what was the first suggestion?

Give me the purpose of the book, okay. So, so it gets very confusing. We're in the Samachaya, then we're in the Vinishchaya, and then we're still in Vasubandhu, and we're still in his brother.

And that's why it was so confusing when we were going through it step by step. Okay, so he mentions the five kundus there, when he talks about how to summarize the whole book. Right, right.

Okay. It actually makes sense. Now, Gyaltsabje says, you know what, Asanga divided his book into five parts, Vasubandhu divided it into five different parts, and I'm going to divide it too.

Okay. He divides it into six parts. And it gets very confusing.

Okay. So, the older brother said, my book has five chapters. Some are, they're all Samachayas, but some of them are Vinishchayas.

Okay. Then his brother says, well, anytime you write any book, you should treat five topics, you know, like, why did you write it? And what's it supposed to do, etc.

Then Gyaltsabje comes along in here. He says, I have a suggestion. What?

I think there's six purposes to a book. Okay. And he just throws it in.

Now we're getting really confused. Inside the nine, we had the five and the five, and then we got the six. Okay, here's Gyaltsabje's six.

Who's gonna read them?

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Oh my god. Oscar.

Hola.

[Speaker 1]
Oh yeah. Yong Tzu Shepard Chahwe Ngupo. And then read the next one.

Yong Tzu Shepard Chahwe Tun. Yeah, so Gyaltsabje says that I think the whole book can be summarized in six topics. They hang together in two, two, and two.

Okay. The first two are called the Ngupo that you better Yong Tzu Shepard. Stuff you gotta know.

Stuff you gotta know thoroughly, Yong Tzu. Stuff you gotta know thoroughly. And by the way, we're gonna get there.

What you should know. Which is mainly the 35 categories. Okay, stuff you should understand.

Okay. And then stuff you should understand. And then what you should understand about that stuff.

Which is dun. Okay, so Ngupo means stuff you should understand. And then dun means meaning of the stuff you should understand.

Got it? That's the first two of his six purposes of the book. Second two of this.

Let me go back to Oscar.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, Oscar please. Yong Tzu Shepard Gyu. Yong Tzu Shepard Sherab.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, see how they hang together? Yong Tzu Shepard Gyu means what's gonna help you to understand everything. You.

Yeah, the cause. What's gonna help you understand? And then he goes straight into Sherab.

The wisdom? The wisdom that's gonna help you understand. Okay, what's the cause?

Then he says wisdom. That's gonna help you understand everything. Okay, got it?

And could it be the wisdom you gain after you understand? It could be. Then he's gonna...

He describes those two together as practice. How to practice. First, what do you practice?

Lam gi mikpa means what does the path focus on. Then he says nyam len. How do you practice that path?

Second two topics. And now, what are you gonna give up? Parinspa.

And what are you gonna take up? Tokpa. The results of your practice.

And they are... Yong Tzu Shepard Drebu. Yeah.

Yeah, Yong Tzu Shepard Drebu means what kind of results you're gonna get by understanding all this stuff? By mastering all this stuff. And then, super knowledge.

Super knowledge. Super knowledge. Those are the six what?

[Speaker 2]
Gyaltsab je.

[Speaker 1]
Those are Gyaltsab je's purposes for the whole thing. Divided into three parts. Okay, number one, what are you supposed to understand?

Number two, how do you understand it? Number three, what happens to you if you understand it? That's his summary of the whole Abhidharmasamvichaya.

Okay, very confusing. We got outline, inside, outline, inside, outline, inside, outline, okay? That's why when you go through it slowly, you know, trying to get the pronunciation right, you get totally lost.

Now we're on point number three. I'll give $100. Anybody tell me quickly which point number three?

[Speaker 2]
Vasubandhu.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, nice. Stanley got the $100. Vasubandhu has been insisting in a typical little brother way that we should listen to his five divisions, his five methodologies for any book.

Right, generally. Okay, yeah. So here's his third one.

What was the first one? Focus. Yeah, understand why the hell you're reading the book.

The second? Summary of the book. Yeah, understand the whole structure of the book.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And now thirdly, siddha. Meaning of the words. Yeah, and if you remember, we were studying words.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Some words, like skanda, apply to 10 different meanings, and you better figure out which meaning it refers to in this case. Right. You see what I mean?

And then sometimes you have multiple words that have the same meaning. So what Vasubandhu said was, be sensitive to language. That's my third suggestion.

Be sensitive to language. Language can be a tricky thing, especially Sanskrit. Okay, all right.

That's his suggestion. Fourth. Sin.

Samjharwa. Samjharwa. Composition.

Be sensitive to composition. How are words joined together? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Samjharwa. That's Vasubandhu's fifth suggestion. Be sensitive to the fine points of the composition.

Be a master of composition before you think you can read one of these shastras. Okay. And then finally, gyal len.

Yeah. Appreciate. The response?

The difficult. Appreciate debate as a philosophical tool. Gyal len means debate, okay?

Appreciate debate. Understand how useful it is to argue about the meaning of something, because then you come out with a really deep understanding. And that's the whole Geshe course.

That's the whole debate thing. And it's ancient. It comes from Lord Buddha.

Okay. Those were little brothers, you know, he's like, can I say something? You know, and he got his five points in there.

And now we go back to the Abhidharma Samajhaya. Vasubandhu gets kicked out. Okay, go home, you know, go back to school.

All right. Okay. It's very confusing, the structure.

You have to look at the outline. Who's going to read, Stanley? Rosa.

It's short, Rosa. Here she comes. You got it.

Is it clear enough? You want to make it bigger for her?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Yeah. Lu here means body of the book.

Yeah. Namshak means the presentation. Let's discuss the meaning of the wording of the whole presentation.

Chedak tu is like by bhajaka, right? Oh, in detail. Yeah, let's study it.

It's probably a pun. Yeah. Let's, by bhajaka, study these words.

All right. And then I've added some points that I thought should be here, but he did not add them in the outline. Okay, these are my, these are me taking points out of his discussion.

Because I think otherwise you won't understand it. Okay. First of all, what?

Oh, please read, brother. Pungsop. Pungsop.

This book was composed, past tense, som, right? In order that people should become khepas, about pungsop. The heaps, etc.

The 35 topics, okay? Classical Kathakis of Abhidhamma. That's why this book was written, okay?

And he wants people to think about those points. Sampa. Think about those 35.

Then he says, I'm going to tell you as an advertisement, if you do think about the points of Abhidhamma, it will help you a lot. And he says, I'll give you three benefits. Divide it into two plus one.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, all right.

[Speaker 1]
First, what is it going to do for your mind? And then secondly, what's it going to do for your debate ability or something? Okay, something like that.

Okay, so what's it going to do for your mind? Two things. Rosa, read.

Shi. Chi na. Chi ne.

Oh, chi ne. Chi. Chi.

Gesu. Gesu. Gesu Thungpa.

And then, Plac. Plac. Plac.

Plac. Plac. Plac.

Yeah, and here's the all-time sales pitch for Abhidhamma, which is going to get Stanley through the next 40 years, okay? Number one, this is very conducive. Gesu Thungpa.

To developing shamatha. Studying these 35 super-borings is... Maybe because you fall asleep, you're going to do meditation.

So, okay? Dream yoga. All right.

It's conducive to shamatha, which I've never seen that advertised in Abhidhamma. Then secondly, it's conducive to power to increase your lakto. Vipashyana.

Vipashyana. Okay. Which basically means he's advertising, Asanga is advertising his book as a method of seeing emptiness directly.

Wow. Which you're going to have to hold on to that in the dry days ahead. I believe it works for me, personally.

I had great results from... I was studying Abhidhamma at the time, so... Okay.

Next.

[Speaker 2]
Drel. Or bel?

[Speaker 1]
Bel. Bel.

[Speaker 2]
Belway.

[Speaker 1]
Belway. Dhamma. Bepa.

Bepay. Bepay. Payum.

Yeah. Again, there's the mistake between doa and boa, okay? Benefits of getting into the...

It's kind of like debate. It's kind of like discussion, okay? Benefits of the discussion.

Mental benefits, yes. Shamatha. Vipashyana.

What do you call it? Intellectual benefits. You will understand the finer points.

How's that? Something like that. Okay.

Then there's a whole discussion. Can you read this one? Before the 15 or the...

Yeah, before... I'm buying the 15.

[Speaker 2]
You already...

[Speaker 1]
Oh, I already... That's okay. Keep going.

Keep going. Yeah. Shi here is very important.

Vastu. What's the material you're going to become a master of? Shi here, basis, means material.

What's the material you're going to become a master of? Okay. That's a big, big point.

And by the way, I believe personally the first 12 topics of the Dhamma are the Shi.

[Speaker 2]
First 12 topics of the Dhamma?

[Speaker 1]
There's 12, and then there's eight more in the Dhamma. The Dhamma is a complicated thing itself. And I believe it breaks down first Samuccaya and four Samuccayas.

Shi and then... Oh, one plus four, you mean? Yeah, one plus four, nine plus...

The raw data and... Yeah, yeah. So I believe you can draw a line through the Dhamma and split the first Samuccaya from the fourth Samuccaya.

Okay. Okay, and that's a very profound thing that I just figured out. Okay.

We can finish. That's just... I'm going to go fast.

Okay, ready? Okay. Dhamma Summa means what kind of Dhamma, what kind of summary.

There's different flavors of summaries. It's a small discussion of which kind of summary is our summary. We didn't get there yet.

We're not there yet. Then he's going to talk about Yenlak, the different components of the whole book. Yenlak, that's where he starts his commentary.

We haven't reached the commentary yet. We're just still in the introduction. This whole discussion today does not reach the commentary yet.

Okay, it's just introduction. Okay, then he's going to treat the seni Samuccaya, the definition Samuccaya, which is the first of the five. Right.

It's the first of the five Samuccayas. Okay, and that involves explaining that chapter, new first chapter, first of the five chapters of the Samuccaya.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, this is the raw data.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, okay. Then Khenpo Chawla Shi means what is it you have to master, which is the content of the first of the five parts of the Abhidharma Samuccaya. Then he's going to get into the Pumbos, and the Khams, and the Keches.

And that's data, raw data that you should understand. 35. Yeah, the 35.

How he treats those three categories is interesting. He's going to do chi len. He's going to have a debate.

The way he treats the 35 categories, classical, common, various, common, the classical topics of Abhidharma, the 35, he's going to treat through a discussion. Chiwa and len. And then he's going to go on to the...

Then I stopped the outline here. But there's nine more topics. Okay, all right.

Now you know where the hell we are. We didn't reach the book yet. I just hope I don't forget.

No, it's just different people throwing in there, yes. And then the lists are inside the list, inside the list, and it gets very confusing. And Samuccaya has become Vinayachayas, but there's still Samuccayas.

And then the whole book is in Samuccaya. And it's very confusing. But I think it's more clear now.

Thank you for all the... And it took me five hours to do what I just did. And what was amazing to me was those whole thing, that whole dome, the whole summary of the whole book that he introduced us to, he never explained it.

And he didn't want to. And why he put it in there, I don't know.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
But that's the opening lines of the Abhidharma Samuccaya.

[Speaker 2]
Right, right.

[Speaker 1]
And he does not comment on them.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
And I felt bad for not understanding them. And then I realized he didn't expect us to. Okay, all right.

All right, we're off to peace training. And then we can go back to our actual book. And Stanley's going to translate.

Okay, yes. Let me go to the beginning here. When it says stop tier 420, 24.

And five... What's the date of the day?

[Speaker 2]
Uh, 11th.

[Speaker 1]
Miles Monday.

[Speaker 2]
Don't forget it. Okay. Which do I translate?

[Speaker 1]
I want you to translate this one.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Which is, by the way, the advertisement that you can increase your Vipashyana.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
And then I want you to... He's going to explain the two mental benefits, Vipashyana and Samatha. And then he's going to explain the benefits of interaction, debate.

Cool. Which is bellwether, Tom, here. Spelled...

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah, bell.

[Speaker 1]
Huh? Directly.

[Speaker 2]
Quick discussion.

[Speaker 1]
In this case.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
All right, cool. Thank you. All right, down to Hasso.

Hasso. Hey, take the coffee. Hello.

Please tell the Madame President of the University why I didn't get my second F.O. done this week. It's due to her friend, Dr. Jaiswal. Good.

Okay. Should I stop the sharing or that stays?

[Speaker 2]
I don't know.

[Speaker 1]
Oops. I don't know.

[Speaker 2]
What happened? Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you, everybody. Thank you, Geshe-la. Thank you, Stanley.

I think it's good, no? They can hear me. Yeah.

Thank you very much. So I think this class was particularly difficult, I think. And the little I could understand is because I've been studying lately the classes to prepare for them.

And then I shared the recordings because we have been working on updating the YouTube playlist. So now it's good news that you can go to YouTube and watch the classes if you want to study them and watch them. The playlists are almost ready.

So it's good news to know that now material is available. And I've been doing it. And I think it's great.

I recommend you to access them there too. So let's go through some of the events that are happening very, very soon. If Gina helps me to share the screen, thank you very much.

So before this, there is another picture just for people to know. The Sedona College of International Management, thank you very much. Yes, is having their sessions these days.

The session started on May 6th and they are going to go until May 21st. Just for you to know what's happening at the Sedona College these days. And on the 21st, that's next picture.

It's going to be a special fun interactive session with Geshe Michael Roche. There is a QR code. You can sign up for that.

I think it's going to be very, very cool. So you can check it out. It's free, should be free.

Yeah, if they try to charge you, complain. But should be free and anyone can sign up for this particular interactive session. Yeah, if they charge you for other things, don't complain, I guess.

But for this, okay. And then soon, the Diamond Silk Entrepreneur University, it's going to have sessions. It's going to be very exciting.

They're going to have sessions. In Sedona, yay. And I think they're going to go for two weeks.

It's the first time they have sessions here. I think they're starting around the 25th of May and all the way to June 1st or something like that. We'll keep you posted, but it's a great reason for celebrating that.

Okay, and then in beginnings of June, Tim is taking some teachers to teach the courses of Ancient Wisdom to Kyoto. So if you haven't signed up for that and you're going to be around in Japan, it's a great opportunity to experience these courses. Great, great, great content.

Great, great, great Ancient Wisdom. And it's going to be like a party in Kyoto because after that, YSI is also having an event teaching about Enjoy the Infinite Free Life. And that's going to happen just after Tim Lowenthal teaches the course.

So you can catch up the opportunity and go there. Last time we have an interview with Earl, we're going to keep telling you more about this event. And then at the same time, to add to the party in Kyoto, great teacher John Brady is going to be teaching about the Heart Sutra over there as well.

So you can catch up the time and go to everything if you are in Japan, luckily. I think June is still not super, super hot, so it's still a kind of nice weather to be there. And speaking of the Heart Sutra, there is another retreat happening, but this time in Barcelona in Spain, the 31st of October to the 10th of November by teacher Sarani and David Sumathi.

You can check more information in the QR code. They're going to be teaching again Heart Sutra in Barcelona in October. And next one, please.

For people who cannot leave the American continent for whatever reason, you could instead go to the 3 Years Retreat, Inner Alchemy Retreat. It's going to happen June 8th to June 15th. And it's going to be hosted by Hector Marcel and Rachel Webb.

I have heard their retreats are very cool. Their events, they just have the Met Gala. Soon we will hear how did it go.

But this is another option if you are either afraid of leaving the American continent or other reasons. Yeah, it's Costa Rica. Yeah, yeah.

I mean continent, American continent. Yeah, so yeah. And finally, we want to also let you know about the upcoming retreat in Diamond Mountain in October.

You can pre-register there. Geshe Michael is going to be teaching there. Wisdom of Arya Nagarjuna and other very cool, cool practices.

And soon before that, they're going to be having the Reforestation Program, which is the next picture. Yes, Asking the Waters to Stay. I think it's a very cool title.

They are working very, very hard to transform the ecosystem, to improve it or to reestablish it as it was a long time ago when trees and birds were happily living there. So if you want more information, we'll talk more about it soon. But for now, you can use the QR code to check it out.

And what I would like to say that Diamond Mountain is a very, very, very beautiful and conducive place to do retreats. You can use it for creative processes, to fix personal things in your life, to develop inner qualities, just time for quietude or not so quietude, war inside your mind. But we hope it's going to be very, very helpful for you and everybody else.

And I just want to share a little video with you of something that happened in Diamond Mountain and then invite a very special guest to have a short interview with us today. So let's watch the little video of Diamond Mountain. And what can you do if you go there?

[Speaker 2]
What is Peach Tree World News doing?

[Speaker 1]
This is called creative process. Okay. I mean, not really right now, but then you go for a walk, you go to do exercise, or you just have fun while you think on creative ideas on what needs to be done, what could be better.

It's a very important part of the job.

[Speaker 2]
Nice.

[Speaker 1]
That's it. You can enjoy Diamond Mountain and have fun and creative processes. And speaking of retreat, we would like to invite a very special guest with us to talk a little bit.

I just met him a little time ago. His name is Kate Emmons. And he did a three-year retreat.

And he's here, here, here. Where? Here.

Right in close. Yes. So thank you for coming.

It's very nice to meet you. I would like also to give the chance to the audience to get to know you a little bit more. They are excited.

So could you introduce a little bit yourself, and how did you come up to these teachings? And then maybe eventually, what did it took you to do your three-year retreat?

[Speaker 2]
That's a big topic.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe your name, how old are you, and what you make? I'm this old. I'm this old.

I'm older than Geshe Michael. So that's really difficult. So what question did you have?

Well, first of all, what's your name? Keith H. Emmons.

That's the name I use. Where do you live? I live in Boulder Creek, California.

And how did you start studying this beautiful ancient wisdom? What's your story? Oh, it's a long story.

It's just short. The first introduction was reading the Sixth Patriarch of Zen, Gui Neng's commentary on the Diamond Cutter Sutra. Mm-hmm.

And then the short story is that for 20 years, literally for 20 years, I had in my mind, yeah, that's kind of cool text, you know? And I kind of get it. I think it's got something there.

But I don't understand it all. And I think, you know, I really don't remember, but I think I saw a flyer somewhere about this some guy, some teacher named Geshe Michael Roach, who was going to teach on the Diamond Cutter Sutra at Vajrapani Institute in California. My house and my partner's house, which we share, is walking distance down the road from Vajrapani Institute.

She helped create Vajrapani Institute, which is the second center that Lama Yeshe made in the United States. So that's a PNT. Galupa tradition, but different tradition.

Diamond Mountain tradition is unique and spectacular. And I recommend it. But don't let me wander.

No, no, no. And then eventually what happened next? You met Geshe Michael.

You say, I like the classes. I like the content. I like this teacher.

And then how did it took you to do a three-year meditation retreat? Well, you know, it's a logical progression. I've got a habit in my life, personally.

I don't like incompletions. Okay. So I don't like to look at me like that.

I don't like going 90%, you know, because what's the last 10%? And I had been on a spiritual search for many, many years, for decades. And, you know, there are many different methods of coming to wisdom.

And one of the things I don't want to mention Lama Yeshe all the time, but one of the things Lama Yeshe said, it was that it's very easy to lose your way in the supermarket of methodologies for attaining the wisdom. And so you have to, at some point, you have to focus. You have to say, this is the one.

And so I was a zenny for a while. You know, I wandered around to different, I did yoga, la, la, la. But when I met Geshe Michael and heard that somewhere on the planet, there was somebody or saw, experienced, that there was someone who understood the Diamond Cutter Sutra, that made me say, all right, I must focus here.

There are other paths. And His Holiness said, you know, your path, whatever it is. So some great teachers have said, your path, whatever it is, whatever tradition, whatever way is good, you just have to do it.

So with Geshe Michael's instructions and help, I and my partner did. That's wonderful. And I hear you also helped building many cottages at Diamond Mountain, no?

Many, not many. I helped, yes. Yeah.

Have you been there lately? No, I haven't been here since before Three Year Retreat, which began in 2010. And this is wonderful.

This is like coming back and seeing my family, you know. Hello, all of you out there in the, you know, the cyber world. It's wonderful to see you all.

It's very fun to see you. So it's great to have you here. And maybe October is a good chance for you to go to Diamond Mountain, check it out, see how much it has changed.

I'm very excited about the reforestation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to keep advertising.

That's happening in September, I think. And then October, the big retreat happening also.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
But it's very nice to have to meet you. I think I have the chance to talk about him. He's very fun, very intelligent person.

Our, how to say, writer of many books. So for those of you who didn't know him, here's Kate Ammons, and he also did a Three Year Retreat. You did it in California, right?

At exactly the same dates as everybody at Diamond Mountain. Exactly the same program. That's wonderful.

So any last advice for people who will aspire in their life to do a Three Year Retreat? Yeah, so you mentioned I'm a writer. I'm a poet, and I have books on Amazon.

So you can go there. The ones I'm publishing first are all about leading up to Three Year Retreat, and then Three Year Retreat. So they're enjoyable to read, I think.

A lot of material comes from the many years of advanced teachings at Diamond Mountain. And if you really want to, you can use some of what's there in those books on Amazon as an instruction for your own path. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I'm very nice to meet you.

So there you go. If you are interested, I'm going to write. Well, I'm going to write in the chat your name, and then you can find your books if they are interested.

Very nice. So I'm going to write here. Everyone is...

There's a link to Amazon. Like that? With an H and no D.

H? Keith H. Emmons.

Like that? Yeah, that's right. And then an H in between the two.

Oh, okay. Cale Cogger T. Emmons?

H. So why do I want to have an H in the middle of my name? Just to make it confusing.

Because that's my father's initial for my father's first name, and I have great gratitude. So in honor of my father, I'm using the H. So thank you.

Thank you very much. Maybe, hopefully, you can come to Diamond Mountain again. I will see you soon again.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

And I guess next we go to have a Tibetan class, language class with words. Is that right?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 1]
As usual. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, I forgot.

We want to also invite you to come to our next event happening on Tuesday, 6 a.m. in the morning. We're going to have a two-hour show dedicated to honoring and being grateful and happy that we have teachers and teachings in our lives. So you can use the QR code to register.

Two hour or two hour and 15 minutes. Two hours. Okay.

Okay. See you later. Thank you.

Thank you, Aso. Thank you, everybody. Word is coming.