Ник Лашо — Книга 2: Ратнамала, занятие 35

[Speaker 1]
For most of you, my name is Nick Leshaw. And welcome. Yes.

I think I know most of you here. My name is Nick Leshaw. And welcome to Xuanzang's Tower.

Welcome to Xuanzang's Tower. And as I think most of you know, we get together twice a week to dive deep and translate some of these incredible ancient books. Oh, wait, let me check.

Are we online, Edmund? Sorry, Ivan. Yes, OK.

Sorry. Around the Zoom?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Around the Zoom? OK. I'm just checking.

It seems that they are still working on it.

[Speaker 3]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, OK. We heard Ben, unfortunately. OK, OK, OK.

So welcome to Xuanzang's Tower. Welcome to Xuanzang's Tower. We get together to dive deep and translate these ancient texts.

We get together to dive deep and translate these ancient texts. And I know that many of you have been tuning into these classes for a long time. So I just want to give you a heartfelt thank you for your participation and your support of our efforts.

I believe deeply that we're fulfilling a long-time vision from Geshe Michael to put an end to the oppression of the West to preserve this wisdom. And I think that nobody else in the world is going to do it the way we do it. So I thank you for taking the opportunity to plant this really precious seed with us.

Thank you so much. Yay. Can you talk about your book in some detail?

So I've had the fortune to work on a book. It's called String of Jewels. It's a really famous text by Master Nagarjuna.

Who lived around 200 AD. And it's known as one of his six famous books on logic. And it's a letter that he wrote to a king at the time, the second letter.

And he's explaining many amazing things to the king, including how to run a kingdom and how to practice. And where we're at now is he's helping the king to understand this very profound concept, emptiness. So we're at a kind of a difficult part of the book.

At least it seems to me. Maybe it's going to get harder. I'm not sure.

So get ready to dive in with us. Good. OK.

Good. It's one of the most famous books in the last 2,000 years. So I have a homework here for those of you who have been watching this class.

So it's kind of hard. I don't even expect the people who have been attending classes regularly to know the answers. I don't even expect the people who have been attending classes regularly to know the answers.

But maybe it will help us familiarize ourselves with where we are in the book. So let's give it a shot. OK.

And we can hear the nuts through the speaker, right? Yes. OK.

[Speaker 3]
OK. OK.

[Speaker 1]
OK. OK. True.

Khyatsabje has moved on to describe ways in which our school is superior to other schools. One statement that he makes is that other schools, and indeed the majority of people in our own school, have a certain belief about people. What is this belief?

It's a short answer.

[Speaker 2]
That they exist substantially.

[Speaker 1]
Perfect. Yes. Do you know how to say that in the West Chinese language?

Dan sak tse Yeah, close. Yeah. Dan sak tse.

Let me translate that. Yeah. You got it.

Substantially. OK. Great job.

Thank you. And to further this point that our teachings are unique, he mentions that people who think the way mentioned above fail to teach which most important concept about things.

[Speaker 2]
That things are free of elaboration.

[Speaker 1]
Amazing. Ooh. She's on fire.

Yes. Yes. difficult.

Yeah, free of a labyrinth, free of the figments of our imagination. Free of imagination. Do you want to take a shot at that in the West Chinese language?

Anybody? Again?

[Speaker 2]
So sorry, chodro.

[Speaker 1]
Chodro, yeah, chodro. Okay, according to Gyaltsabje, the naked ones do believe that the subject state of mind and its object are empty. But what belief does he mention that differentiates them from our school?

Explain who's the naked one. Okay, so there's a group of ancient practitioners called the naked ones, because they don't wear any clothes. They're from India, and they're more commonly known as the So, does anybody remember this section from the text?

Do we have a microphone? Oh, do you want to try to answer? Oh, okay.

You'll have to repeat what he says. Okay, Rob remembers this section from the text, so he gave a yes to my yes or no question. You can't say they wear clothes, okay?

Yeah, good. You're amazing.

[Speaker 2]
So, he's saying that the subject state of mind and its object are empty, and they're permanent.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good. You're amazing. Thank you.

Okay, that's right. So, we're lucky to have Venerable Utpala on our team of translators, who takes the mic. And they think that an unchanging thing can perform a function.

Can anybody give me the West Chinese word for unchanging? Maybe someone who's not a first-string translator. Good.

Who said that? Sounded like old school. Nice.

And function? Anybody could give me this one.

[Speaker 2]
Jessica in the chat says ngepo.

[Speaker 1]
Good. Okay, good. Nice.

ngepo I just said nge for the... Yeah. Because that's just...

So, thank you very much. That's my homework, and let me find my translation that I have for you all. Okay, so I took a shot at the root text.

I don't know if we want to like ... let's move ahead to this.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, it's pretty hard.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, you can't ... you got to read the commentary first. I went back and forth a few times.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to know if the root text is translated right until you read the commentary. Yeah.

Okay. I definitely completely missed it at first. Let's see.

They want to know if you can expand your screen a little bit. Coming up. Alright.

Okay. Before Nick reads this paragraph, I wanted to welcome two ... three groups of people.

One is the group that's visiting Sedona from Diamond Silk Entrepreneur University. Welcome. Secondly, we have 42 organizations, and the financial record-keeping and the tax work is almost impossible if you are not a Buddha.

But, we have a Buddha accounting genius, which is Melissa Sim. Would you like to stand up? That's why ...

That's why we didn't go to jail yet. Thirdly, at Diamond Mountain University, they just finished a one-month very successful retreat. And a very advanced Diamond Way retreat.

And one of the Diamond Way teachers is here, Eli Vandepas with Vivian, who did the retreat. So, congratulations. Okay.

Yeah, and they just got out. They just came today, I think. So, congratulations on the retreat.

So, Nick's going to read the next paragraph and we'll translate. All right. ...

Nice. Okay, good. When you see the dark letters, those are Nagarjuna's words from 2,000 years ago.

And then Gyaltsabje, a famous philosopher from 600 years ago, he will very skillfully wrap his commentary around the original words. So, it's quite difficult to translate, but Nick already did one book by this same team. Yeah.

That book was called the Sixty Verses, and it took Nick seven or eight years to finish, and he finished it about six months ago. ... Seven ...

over 700 pages, I think. And it will give you a headache if you read it. Okay, and then he started the second one.

2,000 years ago, Nagarjuna wrote, as Nick said, six famous books. They are pretty much the foundation of all emptiness teachings. And my dream is that Nick can finish all six books.

Okay, so we're on number two. All right, Nick, why is this CHOS CAN here, and why is this LTAL here? Yeah, I think he's giving a debate about the meaning of the verse.

Yeah, it means that our commentator has put the ... he wrote his book in debate style, argument style. Like him and his wife or something.

Occasionally. No, I'm kidding. Okay.

And I'll give $100 if someone can tell me why this is so difficult to translate. Because there's a bunch of mistakes in the book? Why?

Oh, yeah, because there was carving errors or ... No, I mean that's ... yeah.

After 2,000 years, there's lots of problems with the manuscript. But some other reasons ...

[Speaker 2]
You can't have a LTAL. Explain. It's not a hotel.

[Speaker 1]
Not hotel. LTAL, oh. No, explain to me why this kind of literature is so difficult to translate.

It's using old language. It's using language. No, they take ...

[Speaker 3]
Because it's threading the root text through the prose in order to explain the root text, so it's a little bit forced. A little awkward.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, cancel the bet. Cancel the bet. There are many verses ...

First of all, it was written in poetry. And every third or fourth verse is completely wrong. Because it's a discussion.

And they don't tell you, now the other guy's talking, now our guy's talking. They don't put that in the book. So, if it sounds crazy, maybe it's the other guy, but maybe you don't understand.

And this is one of those verses, actually. jik tenpo bu ni choshe Consider the parts of the person as the world sees them. No, it means he's equating pungpo with jik ten.

Oh, so the world ... I know what you mean. The suffering heaps, basically.

Yeah, consider the world. And then ... The poetry says, the poetry says, let's talk about the world.

Then our author, 400 years, 600 years ago, he says, when he says world here, he means the five parts to a person. Hundred dollar question. It seems like the world is bigger than the five parts of a person.

What's the explanation? The form heap consists ... the outside world is part of the heap of form, or the part of a person which is the physical matter.

Good. In Buddhism, when you say somebody has five parts, the first part is traditionally explained as their body. Physical body.

But on a bigger sense, your body includes the whole world. So, it's not crazy here. He says, let's think about the whole world, which means the parts to you.

Then jiyu is a question word. What's it mean, Nick? Jiyu.

Like however many, or whatever. What's there? What is there?

Jiyu. Jiyu is a question word. Jiyu.

What's there? Then he says, what's their dundu? What's their purpose?

What is there? What is existing there? Dundu.

And it has a deeper meaning. Dundu here has a deeper meaning. Objectively?

In reality. What's there in reality? What's there real about your body and your mind?

Then our guy made a commentary. Dundu is the ancient word, and he explained it by saying rang shing kyi. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

dundu te rang shing kyi. Yeah, from its own side. Yeah, what's there from its own side?

I need a pen, you know. Okay. Yeah, quick.

What's there from its own side? Nothing. Wang Xia gave a good answer in her head.

She'd give me this answer a lot. Yeah, it means nothing, okay. So, he says dundu means, which here it means, dundu here means in reality.

And then he explains dundu. He says rang shing kyi from its own side. Then he says me bar thao.

Now, the word thao is dangerous. Why? Because it's part of the debate.

Oh, it could be sarcastic, or it could be assertive. Yeah, the word thao can be assertive. I believe that.

Or it could be sarcastic. What the hell, you believe that? Okay, so if you go down, me bar thao.

It's sarcastic, or it's assertive? It's assertive. Okay, no.

Me bar thao is sarcastic. Me bar thao. Me bar thao.

Me bar thao means I believe it. Here it's going up. Me bar thao.

So, he said chi yu means sorry, I'm going slower. Chi yu means what exists from its own side. Okay.

Then he answers his own question. Me bar thao? Nothing.

Nothing exists from its own side. Then he says nothing exists from its own side because if it did exist from its own side, there would be some problems. Yeah.

They would ... oh, sorry. No, no, no, no.

Go ahead. If something ... yeah.

They would ... Yeah, there would be some problems.

[Speaker 3]
Wenties.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. What's the problem? Then Nick's going to translate.

RANG BZHIN GYI YOD NA If they did possess some nature of their own, yeah, if they did exist from their own side, let's say, gud means they would have to nepa in the dusun. They would have to reside within the past, present, or future. Yeah, they would have to remain in the past, in the present, and the future.

But in reality, in reality, when things shik, which is the root text, which is a past tense of njik, when they are destroyed, yeah, when things end, kashi, you don't know this word. I guarantee you. You know it now.

Kashi means, hey, where you go? Kashi. Kashi.

There's a variant of it in modern West Chinese language. You say, where did the guy go? And you say, I don't know.

Who knows? Yeah, yeah. So here, kashi du dro They couldn't have gone anywhere.

Who knows where they went? Yeah, when something moves into the past, where did it go? me means you can't say.

Nobody can say. And when something ... so that's when something shik, when something falls apart.

Now the opposite. If something gyewa, when it begins, yeah, when something starts, kashi ne-o where could it have come from? Yeah, where did it come from?

Same word, kashi means who knows? Where do things go when they end? And where did things come from when they start?

Oh, I'm matching. Also, okay, even after they kick, even after they have started, yeah, je su kye chik momentarily, in the next instant, after they start, mi ne, they can't stay in that moment. Yeah, they cannot stay in the present moment.

Nothing stays in the present moment. We rush through the present moment. Therefore, what's the subject that we're talking about?

Doc? First word here. Jigten?

Yeah, the world. Therefore, the world doesn't nepa in du sum. It doesn't stay within the past, present, or future.

Yeah, the world does not live in the past, or the present, or the future. It means by the time you point to something, it's already past. Then our commentator does something cute, which he likes to do.

Cute means bad boy. A little bit naughty. He says all the parts of the person are dag nyi.

In this case, dag nyi just means chu. Oh really? Stuff?

There are entities, there are things which nepa. They transcend. They are beyond nepa.

Staying. They don't stay. They are beyond staying.

They are beyond going. They are beyond coming. They are beyond staying.

They are entities which are beyond. Vimala, if you can find some headache medicine for the translator for after the class? Okay.

You are very brave to translate his class. And thank you for translating. But he cheated.

The commentator cheated because he said dag nyi which means entity, but he split the dag from the root text. The root text is in the black. What's the root text say?

Let's see. Dag nyi. It says dag.

What's dag nyi? Self. Yeah, a self which is the famous thing that emptiness is empty of.

So he is playing. He took the word for self and he changed it into the word for entity. And it's untranslatable.

What he did is untranslatable. And Nick's going to have a good time with that. It's not the first time.

Okay?

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, go ahead.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I'm going to ask it again. So in this case of this book we are very lucky because we have the Sanskrit. So that Sanskrit is 2,000 years old.

And we have an amazing team. The boss of that team is Ayesha Skufalas. They search the whole world for these ancient originals.

She found ... we translated the Medicine Buddha Sutra. She found the original.

A hundred dollars. Where did she find it? Afghanistan?

Yeah. Who said that? Gyal Tse said first.

She found it in a stupa in Afghanistan. It was written on ... what?

Tree bark. Tree bark. It's that old.

It's so old it's written on the bark of a tree. Yeah. Okay?

So she found this book. She found this book first. So we can check what word did Nagarjuna use for self here.

And Nick found it. It is ... Atma.

Atma is the form in a sentence. Atman is the undeclined form. Atman.

Nominative. Atman. Atman means a pen which is ...

Atman means a pen which is coming from itself. How many Atmans are there? Zero.

Nice and fair. Yeah. There's no pen come from its own side.

Now, two hundred dollars. By the way, what's the recent record for getting money from Geshe Michael? $3,000.

Who's the cruel person who took $3,000 from Geshe-la? Max Wu. I still remember.

Don't forget. Okay, now I forgot my question. Who can tell me where the word Atman comes from?

To separate. That's like a $50 answer to a $100 question. Not separated.

Nice. Okay, okay. Who is that?

I wonder. My banker. Okay, word got $100.

Atman is the same root as the word atom in English. And tam means to divide. A means cannot.

So, atam means indivisible. Smallest piece cannot divide it. Okay, what English word comes from tam?

All English comes from Sanskrit. Temple. Okay, because traditionally a temple could not be attached to the town.

It has to be separate from the town. So, we call separated place tampo. Okay, cool.

So, is a pen which is atam, atma possible or not? No. No, not possible.

Because it cannot come from its own side. So, we say not atma. Anatma.

Not atma. Okay, good. Now, who's going to read the next sentence?

Nick, you pick on somebody and pick on their pronunciation and even if they do it correctly, criticize them. It's a tradition of mixed nuts. Alright, Rob.

Oh, is there a mic here? Alright. Can you see it, Rob?

Oh, it's up here also. You can follow on here if you want. Damu Now, it just went away.

[Speaker 2]
Damupanitane duyupar tumpao.

[Speaker 1]
Not bad. Yeah, okay. So, tam it's a interrogative particle.

Yeah, it's a question mark. It's the ancient question mark. There's no separate symbol.

They just say tam or ram or tam or something. I couldn't figure out a way to include it like in italicizing.

[Speaker 3]
Very difficult. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
You have to translate the root text first and then insert it. When we say tam it's meant to indicate tumpa that those things in the world do exist tanye du Things do exist in name only. Is there a pen here?

No. It was here when I asked the question. And it's gone before you had time to answer.

Okay? Seriously. That's a problem with life.

I'll tell you from 71. It's gone before you realize. But here it means just tanye du.

Just conventionally speaking. Yeah, in the language of the world we can say, yeah, you have a pen in your hand. But it's not the pen I was showing you.

Nick, who's going to read the next sentence? Stanley. Translate.

I mean, criticize him very well. I think so. I think so.

I'm sorry. You said before I said it wrong. When you go up, you believe it.

Yeah, you're right. Mayim Batal. There isn't any.

So he says he's comparing two things. Jigten and nyangen. The world, in this case, I think meaning the cycle of pain.

Yeah. And nyangen meaning nirvana. Nyangen la depa.

Nyangen la depa. Go ahead. Okay, hundred dollars.

Nobody's winning money. What does nirvana really mean? Blow out!

Blow out. He got a hundred dollars.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Nir means out. It came into the word like negative or not or things like that. And van means to blow.

And it came into the English word ventilation and fan and things like that. So nirvana means to blow out. But when the Tibetans translated ...

Yay! I got to win some bet myself. When the West Chinese translated nirvana, they used nyangen la depa.

What did they say? Nyangen la depa. Transcending or going beyond sadness or grief.

Yeah, good. If someone dies, we say nyangen, you feel grief. And nyangen la depa means to go beyond grief.

Yeah. By the way, the way this class goes today, at five o'clock world central time Sedona we will stop and Nick will lead a 15 minute discussion about practical applications of the material that we are studying. Yeah, this is a very strange book.

So, how can you use it in your real life? So, we'll do a 15 minute discussion. Then after that, we have a 15 minute world news show.

Then after that, we start our second class. And that will be Stanley's class. Stanley's book is more difficult.

It's more difficult than Nick's book. So, you're welcome to sneak out. Now he's saying these two things, two different things.

korwa and nyangdi. What's that? The cycle of pain or nirvana.

For a hundred dollars, Nick Why is it called cycle of pain with regard to an argument between a husband and a wife in a kitchen? Because when you are going to work in the morning and your kids don't have their shoes on and then you yell at the kids you plant a seed in your mind when you yell at them. Then you go home from work and you're tired and your husband yells at you and tells you you're stupid.

And that was the first ripening. If you get mad and yell back as I would I'm not stupid, you're stupid. That's pretty much it.

Then you plant another seed. Then you go in the other room and the kids yell at you. Then you yell back and plant another seed.

So, it's like a cycle. What's the Sanskrit word for it? Sansara.

[Speaker 3]
It's a cycle.

[Speaker 1]
Our life is all cycles. We get upset, we say something bad then someone say bad thing to us then we say bad thing to them and our whole life we are doing this. Every day, many times.

So, you have these circles and you have nirvana. When you break the circle how do you break the circle? Yeah, don't yell back.

Husband say you are stupid. You say, yeah, okay, okay let's have dinner. Okay, alright.

You cook dinner by the way. Nah. You are stupid.

Now the book writer asked a question. Is that circle empty and nirvana is not empty? Is there a difference like that?

One is empty, one is not empty. KHYAD PAR JI LTA BU means how much difference is there between the circle and breaking the circle? How much difference is there between them?

I understand that. And the answer is YOD PAR MA YIN There isn't a difference. There's no goddamn difference at all.

They are both circles. They are both coming from their own side. Let's put it that way.

Sorry, they're both coming from your side. They are coming from your side. So, the circle is coming from our side.

When the fighting circle coming from you. Therefore, it's empty of coming from its side. When you break the circle that's also coming from you.

When you break the circle it's also empty of coming from its own side. The breaking, the breaking. So, question for Nick.

Is there a KHYAD PAR between these two? Circle and breaking the circle. Is there a KHYAD PAR?

No, there's no distinction. No difference. Same.

Fighting with your heart with your husband or your wife over and over and over and stopping the fighting is there a difference? Answer is no difference. They are both not coming from their side.

Therefore, they are both empty. Whether you suffer for the rest of your life and fight with people or whether you break that cycle and you feel happy for the rest of your life both will come from you from your seeds and both are empty of coming from themselves, their own side. That's why we say everything is equal.

By the way, it doesn't mean that fighting with your husband and not fighting with your husband is equal. It doesn't mean that. They are equal because they are both coming from you.

Okay, I think we got time for another sentence, Nick. Alright. I think I took a shot at this one, too.

I struggled with this whole section. I at least understood the very last part. Maybe, Gyalse, do you want to read?

[Speaker 2]
Gangi Chirna Nikang Yangda Thank you. Nikang Yangdukdu Jrowatang Umwatang Nepamepa Nepamepa Chir Xeparnitsewe Sawa Sherabki Jrowong Jrowong Takpe Sherabchi Lesheparja'o Nice.

[Speaker 1]
Let's check Nick's translation. Therefore, both are... Yeah.

Both are right or something like that? This is tricky, Nick, because Yangdukdu means dundu here. Oh, Yangdukdu, he's glossing himself?

The Yangdukdu means dundu. Real. Yeah, really, really.

Yeah, purely, really. Okay? You have a headache yet or not yet?

Yeah, there is no going, Nick said. There is no coming, Nick said. There is no staying, Nick said.

But the correct part should be adverb to describe those three.

[Speaker 3]
Purely.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, really. Is your husband fighting with you? Not really.

It's your seeds are fighting with you. Okay. Yeah.

What is nika then? What is it referring to? Is it samsara and nirvana?

Yeah. Yeah, samsara and nirvana. There is no coming from the future.

There's no going to the past. And there's no being here in between in emptiness. Would your car get old, Lindsay?

Lindsay bought a new car this week, right? Nice car. I'm not asking for it, I'm just saying it's nice.

Will it get old? Did it come from the future and is it headed towards the past? Yes, but not young doctor.

Came from the past. Not from its own side. What's the best way to keep that car from breaking down?

Yeah, give lots of people rides in it. Nick organized a group to pay for my blue car. And they even painted it my color blue in Las Vegas for a lot of money.

I won't say how much. And I have a problem with the car. It doesn't get old.

It doesn't break. It keeps going. And I'm tired of that old model.

I'm not complaining. Hey! What's baoma?

Baoma. Jewel horse, right? That's the Chinese word Melissa, for BMW.

Baoma. BMW. Baoma.

Anyway, Lindsey got a baoma. I didn't get a baoma. Okay, so that thing is not going into the future, and it's not coming from the past, and it's not staying in the present by itself, independent of whether you help other people, give them a ride.

Yeah, and Nick translated the next part. He said, for a more extensive discussion of this topic, you should familiarize yourself with the chapter known as an examination of going and coming from the root wisdom. There, yeah.

Yeah, and that's the grandfather book of all emptiness books. The root wisdom, okay? Each chapter in that book is called dakpa.

Pariksha. Pariksha in Sanskrit. It means examination.

Let's check about how things come and go. I'll give three hundred dollars if anyone can give me the funny example from that book which I taught over and over again in Diamond Mountain. Stepping, yeah, three hundred dollars.

Yeah, coming and going depends on your foot goes like tick, tick, tick, right? Going, going, staying, sorry, coming, staying, going. Your foot, bottom of your foot.

Coming, staying, going. And where does the going stop, and where does the coming begin or something like that? You cannot say therefore it's coming from you.

Coming from your seeds. Okay? Okay, that's a great place to stop.

And grandpa's going to sit down and enjoy himself, and you guys are going to have a discussion. Nick's going to stop here. Should I just continue?

I mean, do you want to? It's totally up to you. You're supposed to try to find ways to use this in your real life.

Oh no, I mean continue as far as an assignment. Yeah, oh yeah, next time please translate, I would translate the next two sections down to Shenlong, okay? Okay.

By the way, Nick's book is 2,000 years old, and there's some problems with the book, and we figured them out. We fixed them after 2,000 years. Okay?

Next time. Thank you guys. Thank you so much.

Thank you guys for being here for this class. Again, I just want to say that we're really lucky to have the chance to study deep into these books with Geshe Michael. It's a rare opportunity in this world.

This program, the Mixed Nuts, or Diamond Cutter Classics, it's really special because it's one of the first times in history that people like us, normal, people who work in the world, we get a glimpse into the meaning in these books. So thank you again for being part of this and for supporting us, and please keep helping us and we will work hard to keep it going. We're working really hard at it.

We love doing this, so it's amazing. Does anybody want to share any thoughts about the bit of text we just discussed? Anybody at all?

It's not easy material. We're talking about whether or not any part of us is real. And, you know, we talk about it in the sense of like the two husbands in the kitchen.

Our mind is already at the point in order to practice that way we have to already understand that the yelling husband is coming from our mind. So, for me, it's not always easy to remember that in the moment if somebody's yelling at me. In my case, it often depends how much sleep I got the night before.

But personally, I find it useful to use some of these logical arguments against myself. Like, especially to remember that this person who's yelling at me, they can't exist in any particular way in their present moment because we are constantly moving into the future. Just that idea, for me, it helps me remember the first of the six flavors of emptiness.

Yeah, the first. The six flavors of emptiness is a really special, amazing teaching, and if you haven't heard it yet you have to hear it as soon as possible. And the first flavor is that there's nothing that lasts forever.

And sometimes if I can think about something other than the fact that someone's yelling at me, like if I can think about the fact that they cannot stay in the present moment, then it helps me to remember that this experience is changing really fast. And if I'm lucky enough to remember that it's changing really fast, then I might be lucky enough to not get too emotionally wrapped up in the situation of somebody yelling at me. And if I'm really lucky, I might remember that it's coming from a seed in my mind that's intimately connected with exactly how I treated someone in the past.

And I think that's what Master Nagarjuna is trying to help us with here. He's trying to give us yet another logical tool to convince ourselves that things aren't the way they appear. He offers a lot of really cool logical reasons why things can't be the way they appear.

That's why I love Nagarjuna. Does anybody want to share any thoughts about this or just share why you love Nagarjuna? Here comes the mic.

I want to share with you the story of two husbands in the kitchen. Why? Because my husband, he's just here.

Because my husband, my husband, because because practicing two husbands and the teaching for a while, that really helped me. Two weeks ago, it was his birthday and he was in Shenzhen, China and I was in the UK but he disappears. I cannot contact him at all.

I was really angry at the same time and worried about him. So then I went out for a walk thinking that what if this is really coming from me then what did I do that plant the seed in the past? Then I remember an incident that when my second son when he was 10 years old there's one time I scolded him so badly that he passed out.

So then I connect the idea of passing out to losing of contact. So then I realized Master Nagarjuna is coming from my seed. So that time, that moment as soon as I had the understanding of this I control myself very fast and immediately I stopped being angry about him.

So Master Nagarjuna really helped us so that is why our marriage can continue. Thank you! It seems like the point of the story is that if you want your husband to disappear then you have to make someone pass out.

Thank you. Cool. Thank you so much.

We have a couple minutes if somebody else wants to for more marriage tips. Anybody else? Okay.

I can't see the chat here. We can't see it. I have a little comment.

Okay. What I love about these studies is that I can accept people's apparent misbehavior towards me easier. And I don't have to take it personally.

And I don't have to think they're a horrible person. And I don't have to hit them back. So I can just go Oh, what would Arya Nagarjuna say now?

Wow! And I can love that person and understand they are not out there by themselves. So these teachings make it much easier for me to love everybody equally.

Cool. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

Well, we have one more minute if anybody has a quick story. Do you want me to read the one from the chat?

[Speaker 2]
For me, I love this part so much. Fighting over and over and stopping the fighting. Is there a difference?

They are both not coming from their side. Therefore, they are both empty. This part, I think, fighting or not fighting, happy or not happy, life is 100% my choice.

There is no space between them.

[Speaker 1]
It is all from me. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you for sharing that. Alright, well that's what we have for today, for this class. So now we'll have, is it Juan?

Okay, great. We'll have Juan broadcast the news and then we'll have another class with Professor Stanley and Geshe Michael. Thank you all for paying attention.

[Speaker 2]
Hello, Nick.

[Speaker 1]
Hello, Juan. Good to see you.

[Speaker 2]
Good to see you too, my friend. I think there has been five years or six I don't see you in person.

[Speaker 1]
I don't think it's been that long. Hopefully not, but I don't remember. Well, I hope I get to see you again soon.

Hopefully soon, yes. Are you here? Are you in Sedona?

[Speaker 2]
Well, I'm in Flagstaff because I got a little bit sick and the car is still being fixed. But soon those two things are going to change, hopefully. Okay, let me share a little bit with the news of what's happening.

Rob Haggerty, welcome. He's our break news person reporting on location. Wonderful to have you, Rob.

Thank you. You're saving this show because of my two obstacles to be there today. So, okay, let's start.

First of all, thank you, Geshe Michael. Thank you, Nick Flaschow and all the Mixed Translators. We want to share with you this QR poster just to remind you that these classes are happening every Saturday, every Monday.

Monday, well, speaking from Arizona's point of view, they're happening Saturday morning and Monday afternoon. This is a great chance, as Nick just said, for us to get to deep dive in the ancient wisdom books. We have also a great captain of the ship leading us there, Geshe Michael Roach.

So thank you, thank you so much. We have a special poster for those of you who are more, I'll say, well-versed into the ancient language. That one.

So you can check what it will mean if you're living in Asia, how you could log in and watch these classes, be part of them. So yeah, you can pull the QR code. It's going to take you to the website.

[Speaker 3]
We have a translator, Juan.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, sorry. We'll summarize. Just invite everyone to look at the QR code.

So thank you. Every Saturday, every Monday. I think in Asia it's Tuesday morning, I think.

Okay. And connected to this project, we have a Book Night Reading Club.

[Speaker 3]
Good Night Reading Club.

[Speaker 2]
And if you sign up, you can get this wonderful police. With this wonderful lock. And the way it works, you're going to get books a few times a year.

And at nighttime, you are supposed to take your book and put your electronics in this bag. Put the timer lock and just read and don't use your electronics at night.

[Speaker 1]
And what the experts say is that your mind is going to improve very, very much.

[Speaker 2]
You're going to wake up fresh and happy.

[Speaker 1]
With wonderful ideas cooking in your mind all night. So if you want one of these, if you want one of these, if you want this bag, follow the QR code.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you very much. Next picture, please. And yeah, this is the same thing.

Good Night Book Club. There you can register to get books. You can register to get the books.

I lost you. I guess. Well, you can register to get the books.

You can register to support the ancient wisdom. You can register to get the beliefs. And finally, just before our special interview, I want to show you in 20 seconds the Wisdom Party we are having in Japan.

[Speaker 1]
The next picture.

[Speaker 2]
Wisdom Party.

[Speaker 1]
Wisdom Party. Maybe you can explain. We didn't get the idea.

[Speaker 3]
One says body.

[Speaker 1]
Wisdom Party.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you. We need to show you what I'm talking about. Next picture, please.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
CSP4 happening in Mainland China.

[Speaker 1]
Next one.

[Speaker 2]
DSEU coming session in Kyoto. Next one. Great teacher.

John Brady. Heart Sutra in Kyoto. Next one.

Team Loewenhaus. Teaching course 2 in Kyoto. And YSI teaching yoga retreat in Kyoto.

Everything happening in June. Hopefully we can see you there. Okay, take it over, Rob.

We have special guests. Thank you, Juan.

[Speaker 3]
All the way from Flagstaff, Arizona. Welcome. We have two special guests today.

Sonia and Edmund from DSEU. Everybody give them a hand.

[Speaker 1]
Applause.

[Speaker 3]
Hello, everyone. Sorry, we've run out of time, so we're going to have to ask you to leave. Okay, see you.

Bye. Welcome to Sedona. Thank you.

And can you tell us a little bit each very quickly what you do for DSEU?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, actually I'm now working for DSEU. So based on my JD, my responsibilities is mostly in charge of the academic and also the accreditation. But, of course, I'm now doing moving the chairs, translator, uber.

[Speaker 3]
Did you say he moves chairs? Yeah, he said that.

[Speaker 1]
He can do that for you.

[Speaker 3]
He's also uber driver in Japan. Geshe Michael, personal uber driver. Follow the QR code here if you want to ride.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, special discount for DSEU students.

[Speaker 3]
And Sonia, what do you do for DSEU?

[Speaker 1]
I'm working on the development department. Simply is getting the donation for DSEU. 工作非常重要。

我是負責京大的發展部門。 也就是說,我是負責募款的。

[Speaker 3]
We really want her QR code.

[Speaker 1]
大家是不是真的很想現在就看到QR code? Yeah, I can bring you the juice and the cherry and everything you like. As long as, you know.

I believe I have planted a lot of seeds.

[Speaker 3]
很多的好種子。 What's one more question I could ask? I know, how many children do you have?

[Speaker 1]
你們有幾個小孩? We have two kids. One is 11, the other is 16.

[Speaker 3]
Who's watching them?

[Speaker 1]
誰照顧他們啊現在? 快點講出來。 I bought a flight ticket for my sisters and my sister flew to Kyoto to cook for them.

我就是幫我姐訂了一張機票。 她就很無奈地飛到日本, 我的家幫他們煮飯。

[Speaker 3]
I understand one of them plays an amazing musical instrument.

[Speaker 1]
我知道其中一個 他的樂器很棒,對嗎? Yeah, one of them is actually playing drums for practicing for several years. Next time, I'll bring them to join the concert maybe.

所以其中我的一個孩子, 他是很棒的鼓手,下次可以 就是讓他展示給大家看。

[Speaker 3]
And how about the other one? What is he doing?

[Speaker 1]
另外一個呢? The other one plays flute and oboe, 雙簧管和長笛。 另外一個是吹雙簧的長笛。

I can also play in piano.

[Speaker 3]
他同時也會彈鋼琴。 Yeah, next time bring them so we can put them in the band. Of course.

We'll have a mini concert in Kyoto next time. So can you tell me one exciting thing about DSEU for the rest of this year that maybe you'd like to highlight?

[Speaker 1]
可不可以告訴我們 特別是京大在這一年 有一個很重要的事情 大事件 Actually in DSEU It will be our second year anniversary in September. Actually we will visit Sendona again in September. There will be a great celebration and events right here.

[Speaker 2]
So hope everybody here can come and join this big party.

[Speaker 1]
今年九月將會進入 京大的第二年度 那麼我們很希望大家能夠在此 再度齊聚一堂 我們將會有一場盛大的慶祝 校慶 We will have a big celebration for our second year anniversary. And of course we would like to have more support from all over the world. 我們將會有一個 盛大的校慶的慶典 當然也期待 各位有一個盛大的捐款 盛大的支持 抱歉 是翻譯的口誤 So if somebody wanted to support the amazing programs going on here especially for the future of DSEU 如果有任何人 你們想要提出支持 對於京大將這麼棒的一個項目的話 How can they do that?

怎麼做呢? We have several channels

[Speaker 3]
We will have special accounts especially for the development supporting

[Speaker 1]
好我們有不同的支持的管道 我們也有一個特殊的 專門的帳戶 專門的帳戶 這個專門的帳戶 是直接支持到京大的發展 當然很方便的 你只要直接聯絡東東姐就可以了 Before I just did not know how to do negotiation but after the negotiation class she is actually now negotiating with the government regarding related to penalty for millions of dollars but now he is so calm and knows everything about negotiation including the east and the west side perspective.

[Speaker 2]
This is very helpful and very challenging for her in her business so we are thinking we are doing a very great job.

[Speaker 1]
其中一個 我覺得最exciting的是聽到 同學們的一個絕大的東西 用在他們的商業上 其中有一個例子今天早上我跟 一個同學吃飯 他就說之前上了一門談判的課 他有東方的支持也有西方的支持 然後他現在正在用這個 談判的技巧在跟政府 去談一個幾百萬的 但是在這個過程中 他非常非常的輕鬆 因為背後有一個 深厚的支持在支持他 Yes, exactly.

[Speaker 3]
And so we're really excited to have you guys here in Sedona and visiting your sister campus. I'm not sure which one will be the main campus. Will it be here or in Kyoto?

Which one will be main?

[Speaker 1]
Michael says Hawaii. The founder and the president.

[Speaker 3]
Breaking news. You heard it here first. Hawaii will be the third campus.

Of course the main will be in US.

[Speaker 1]
Actually the philosophy of one of the philosophy of our university is connected to the east and the west. So we'll have one campus in US and one campus in Kyoto. This is kind of how we organize the campus in the future.

Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Again, my nephew is Cooper Haggerty. Please consider him in the future for your university.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, of course. Actually there are some new programs coming up which focus you will watch out for what is happening in this year and you will get excited about this new program. Keep following us.

[Speaker 2]
Translate.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you both for coming and we appreciate you being here. Next we want to bring up Stanley to talk about CSP. Is that correct?

Xiaoping and Stanley. Thank you guys. Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Just a question. I don't know much about American geography, but I think technically Hawaii is the US.

[Speaker 3]
Juan, we're out of time. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Juan still wants to say something. Juan, we're out of time. I'm sorry.

[Speaker 2]
Wow, I know how to quiet you up now. I was just saying Hawaii is part of the US. What was that?

Hawaii is part of the US.

[Speaker 3]
I didn't hear what you said, but we're going to move on.