Гибсон Чан — Книга 2: Восхваление зависимости, занятие 9

[Speaker 2]
Well, it seems to be that time.

[Speaker 1]
Good night. Good morning. Good evening.

Hello. Good afternoon. Welcome, everybody, from wherever and everywhere that you are.

We're so grateful that you've come to join us tonight. We're thrilled, of course, to get to spend the time together again. Thank you so much, subscribers, for supporting this program and for participating.

It's just wonderful to have you here.

[Speaker 2]
And the more the merrier. It's very fortunate that we get to spend this time together now on such a regular basis.

[Speaker 1]
It's a nice upgrade to my life to get to see all your pretty faces more often. And I see Geshe Michael's in place. Gibson is in place.

[Speaker 2]
I dare say that this is the moment. Hi, Geshe Michael. Hi, Gibson.

Welcome.

[Speaker 1]
There they are. Hi, Ben. Again, Link.

Hey, Gibson, where's the homework? Oh, here I am. Let me see.

By the way, the teacher doesn't have to answer the homework. That's the rule. I've never heard that.

It's true. Oh, wait, I hear that every week. Okay.

Tiny. So the first question is, how does the example of hot water illustrate the situation when something exists naturally? That's weird.

Because you naturally don't have hot water. You have to use something which refers to dependence to make it hot. Great answer.

Yeah. You need to have other forces. So if things exist on their own, they could not be anything like hot water because hot water has to be made hot freshly by an external force.

So what is Juma? Artificial. Prepare or make?

Yeah. Artificial, create, create it. All right.

And the next question, how do other debaters develop faith in Buddha's other teaching after hearing him teach about dependence? I don't know. There's a hint in the Tibetan vocabulary.

That's a difficult hint. Oh, yeah. They shrink.

[Speaker 2]
Yes. And they understand because they cannot give a relevant answer.

[Speaker 1]
Right. The debater gets them into a corner and they can't do anything and they sort of get deer in the headlights kind of look and then they just have to accept it. Yes.

Beautiful answer. Yeah. So when Lo Buddha told his teaching, those debaters didn't even have a chance to answer correctly.

Then the principle of dependence became something they could believe in. So after that, if they carefully apply the logic to Lo Buddha's statement, they will crawl up in a ball, shut up and comprehend his statements. And they will begin to believe Buddha's other teaching.

So what is Kunt? Understood or something? Yes.

Three minutes in one word. Oh, yeah. Crawling ball, shut up and comprehend or understand.

Okay. Yeah. Why do the debaters shrink away, shut up and come to understand the Buddha's statement after hearing the Lo Buddha's explanation of dependence?

When they hear about dependence, they suddenly understand that everything that they saw directly with their own eyes, they understand what they see directly with their own eyes and they suddenly see all the things that are hidden as well. Cool. So they give up overestimating and underestimating reality.

Yeah. Thank you. Yes.

So it sends away the possibility of seeing things most easily from their own side or they don't exist at all. Like Manipura Buddha said, among all the things we can see directly and all the hidden things that we can see. So what is trung trung duk?

Who said? Chloe. Chloe says overestimate.

Yes. And the kunde? Underestimate.

Yeah. Cool. All right.

And here is my translation. Let me see. Jesse, Michael, can you please turn up your microphone?

Actually, I need a microphone. Is there any? Yeah, we're coming.

Don't worry. We had an electrical problem here. Kind of improvising for a few minutes.

Okay. So here's my translation and I will just read it together. Oh, wondrous.

Oh, now, those who are truly wise can discern the difference between these two, good and bad. And when they do, why not have a respect for you, the teacher, not only with their lips, but from the bottom of your heart, and they will. Okay, cool.

Let me see here. By the way, we're working on the microphone. Yeah, Gibson, tell me why the fifth word is B-A-S.

What's the S? By? Yeah, so it means the root text says, wow, he's amazed.

I mean, you have to, the translation has to indicate that. Yeah. Hang on one second.

We got my tech guy here. That should be it, right? Yeah.

Okay. Is the microphone better, you guys? Yeah, much better.

Yes, thank you. It says mute. Okay.

And between these two. Hang on. I got too many tech guys spoiled.

I think it's okay. I think the, let me see, I think it's good. So again, but is this working?

This is working. Yeah, this is working. Oh, okay.

We just have to, okay. Can you hear much better now? Yes.

Okay. Okay. I just don't know if it's on.

No, it's good. Good. All right.

Okay, good. Yeah, good. Yeah, good.

Okay, cool. Yeah, that's fine. That's okay.

That's just fine. Yeah. All right.

And Good. How understanding the Buddha's speech could grant us happiness. Yes.

Good. Has three parts. The actual presentation of happiness is grandiose.

Good. Wow, chastisement. That's pretty good.

And uplifting. Good. Okay, good.

Yep. Okay. Yeah.

And the last one.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Yeah, nice. When it is there to mention, all we need to say is to clearly understand much of the meaning of your holy speech teacher, even the most basic understanding of the profound meaning of the single piece of the sacred word is enough to grant a person the highest form of happiness.

Okay, let me cook it here. Good. Okay.

Yeah, good. Ulchi is a strange idiom that means almost guessing, and it's like roughly understand, something like that. Yeah.

Basic is too high. Okay. Yeah, it's like a rough understanding.

Yeah, yeah. Chitsitsam. Yeah, and then he said only, you see what I mean?

Yeah, even just a rough understanding is enough. Profound meaning of a single piece of sacred word. Yep.

That's going to personalize for happiness. Good. Okay, it's good.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're kicking butt.

I was like, so key who write, check this again, is KYI. Yeah, good. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, thank you. Okay. Okay.

It's a good homework. Thank you. You did a good job.

Thank you. All right, let's get back here. Okay, that's here.

Let me give you guys the big cursor here. Okay. Okay, good.

All right. Yeah, I did a statistical check, Gibson, which is sometimes fun. 180 people spelled it KYI HU, 86 people spelled it KYE HU.

The ancient Tibetan is KYE. And there's two forms of it. They can say KYE or KA YE.

So, I don't know, but it's probably we should check the tenure. Yeah, so I don't think I would correct it, actually. Okay.

It might be a statement, you know. But then two lines later he spelled it differently, right? Yeah.

Yeah, so yeah, okay. Let's... Yeah, by the way, do you guys want to see what the original Tibetan looks like?

It looks like this picture here. Here's the same sentence, the first part of the sentence in the original Tibetan. Okay, cool.

It's a pretty good carving, by the way. Not bad. Who's gonna read this paragraph?

Uh, Tracy. Aww. And I guess, what does KYI HU mean?

It means, oh my gosh. Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Wow.

[Speaker 1]
Amazing, amazing. I don't know how that happens. Okay, there was a big mistake in our text.

It was supposed to say YI CHUNG BA'I. And it just said YI. And you guys owe me for this kind of thing.

So, YI CHUNG is a synonym for NGES BYUNG. I'm sick of it. Renunciation?

Yeah, renunciation. YI CHUNG BA'I means like, alas. You know, like, oh my god.

Okay, YI CHUNG BA'I means he's so kind of freaked out. Okay, he's so amazed. Therefore, he says KYI HU.

Okay, so we're supposed to read it as instrumental. Okay, YI CHUNG BA'I, because he is so amazed or so freaked out, he says KYI HU, oh my gosh. BDAG GIS BLO DUS MONGS PA What's that mean, Gibson?

My intelligence is beaten. Yeah, it's beaten. Like DGRA BCOM PA means the enemy destroyer, right?

My wisdom. BLO DUS is a synonym for shit up. Okay, BLO DUS and shit up mean the same thing.

His intelligence is overcome by MONGS PA. By darkness. Yeah, like stupidity.

Okay, and when I think about the YUN DENGS, what's that, Gibson? Good quality. Yeah, that have been GONG DU ZHES.

Explained earlier. Yeah, explained earlier. When I think about those good qualities...

And by the way, you are a PHUNG PO CHEN PO of good qualities. You have a mountain of good quality? Yeah, you are a mountain of good qualities, okay?

And thank you for translating PHUNG PO as mountain. It's like one time out of a hundred it should be translated as mountain, and so that's correct. DENG PA, I'm going to GYAB SU SONG BA TU YUL DU YUL RING PO NI.

I'm going to take refuge from you for a long time. Yeah, I'm going to take refuge in you for a long time. But even if I do that, I couldn't...

What's ZAL mean usually? Take refuge?

[Speaker 2]
Look.

[Speaker 1]
Usually it means to look for something, right? But what it means... Here it's an idiom.

When you say, I don't have a CHA SHES of your good qualities. Fractional part. A little bit of price.

Yeah, fraction. And in English we say something like, I can't claim to have even a 1% of your good qualities. That's what he's saying.

So MA TZAL doesn't mean to look for something here. It means I cannot claim to possess even 1% of your good qualities. Okay, that's an idiom.

All right, who's gonna... Question, does that come with the TZAM YANG? What's TZAM YANG mean?

Oh, even a part. Even a tiny percent. CHA SHES means percent.

Yeah. And TZAM YANG means I cannot claim to possess even a tiny percent of your good qualities. Okay.

Thank you. All right, SUMBA. Who's gonna read it?

Gibson? Where's your boss? She's in the teacher training.

Oh, oh yeah. Chloe. Chloe.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, let me put a chair up there.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, hang on. We're gonna put a special chair for her. The queen's chair.

Okay, here we go. Let's put this over here. I don't know.

All right, keep her busy, Gibson. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, by the way, every time he comes to a new topic, Gibson, it's the same structure, right? He says, here's part number three, and we're gonna cover it with the next verse, and then he mentions the first few syllables in the next verse. So you don't get credit for reading that.

You have to do more. Okay. By the way, what's SANG LTOS PA, Gibson?

Uplifting. Yeah, so RANG NYID MA BA means, look, I'm just a stupid guy. And he finished that part.

He said, look, I'm just a stupid guy. Then he says SANG LTOS. SANG LTOS means, but you're really lucky that you made it here.

You're not so bad. SANG LTOS PA means you're not so bad. What's the...

What's SANG LTOS in Kamalashila's presentation of meditation? When you have dullness, that's how you uplift the mind. Yeah, when you have dullness, you SANG LTOS PA.

And what's the method used there, Nathan? Right. Think about you're a teacher, isn't it?

Think about the fact that you're still alive. Like, not so bad, I'm still alive. Or a bright light, yeah.

Or a bright light, yeah. By the way, SANG LTOS in colloquial Tibetan means to get a medal. You know, like if you did something brave in the war and they give you a medal.

It's called SANG LTOS. They give you a medal. Okay, that's the colloquial version.

Okay. Chloe says she wants to read the next part, Dixon. Okay.

Döni, döni, no, döni, deytar, yi chung ma ong, ong kyang, mchit tak, kik har, chokpe, chokpe, chok gi. Sok, sok gi. Yeah, the R sound.

nup gi war du. This is par du. This one is par du.

You never know. dong pa kyu la, rik pa yang dak la, dön ne, chung se, yip se pa di, oh no, de. Oh, it's probably different, but okay.

yi yang pao, pao wa, sang ngo, nyang pa, gi de she pao. Nice, nice. You guys are doing good.

Are you a student of Word? All right, I should give Word another hundred dollars for each one of these guys. But I'm not going to.

Okay, döni means... What's that yi chung? Do you remember?

Yeah, it means to feel down. It means to feel down. Why did he feel down?

Do you remember? In the last verse, why did he feel down? He couldn't accumulate just a tiny bit of good quality.

Good. Yeah, compared to you I don't have one billion percent. So how am I ever going to get there?

That's yi chung. But me means, okay, that's all right. Admit it.

I admit. I admit that you guys should be depressed because you don't have one billionth of one percent of the good qualities of Buddha yet. I admit you should be depressed.

But on the other hand, you are chokpa into the kha of the chidang. You're on the way to the mouth of the Lord of the Death. Yeah, your feet are already in the mouth of the Lord of the Death, of Lord of Death.

Whose feet? All of us. Okay.

My mom, I spent a week with my mom. She's like dying. She's really dying.

Her whole leg's inside the mouth of the Lord of Death. But your feet are also already inside. He's about to swallow.

Okay. So therefore, your sok gi gyun has not nupa yet. Your light of force hasn't decreased yet.

Yeah, it hasn't. Yeah, like the setting sun. It hasn't set.

He compares your life to the sun. Inevitable evening. Inevitable dark.

It's very beautiful. Your life is like the sun crossing the sky. And until things are not so bad, you're still alive.

Okay. All right. Seng dunpa means look on the bright side of things.

You still have a little bit of time. Dunpa kyula. I have, the good news is, I have yi chepa toward the dunpa.

Gibson? I have belief for teacher. Yeah, towards you, teacher.

Yeah. Why does he believe in the teacher? Because he has used rikpa yandak.

Correct reasoning? Yeah. I figured out logically that you're an amazing person.

Therefore, I have belief. I have some belief in you. The fact that I have that belief is gyelwa sambal.

I'm so lucky. Yeah, super good news. Yeah, I'm so lucky.

Okay. I'm a schmuck because I don't have one millionth of percent of your good qualities. On the other hand, I do believe in you.

And the Lord of Death hasn't finished swallowing me yet. So, things are pretty good. Nyapa gyi do means I'm going to think like that.

I'm going to think like that. Gyelwa sambal. Yeah, gyelwa sambal.

Usually it means lucky, right? And here it just means, you know, I'm just really lucky. I'm still alive.

And I do believe in Buddhism. I do believe in the Buddha. And I do want to try.

At least I'm trying, you know. At least I'm trying. Okay.

All right. She's running away, Gibson. Who's up next?

Lingzi. Lingzi. He's using logic to figure out that you're here.

Can you see that location? I'm going to guess. Yes, I can see.

I see. Yeah, it just says we're going to wrap up this point now. Gyelwa means we're going to wrap up this point.

And there's the verse. And Lingzi, read. It's a long one, sorry.

By the way, do you see any commas in this whole sentence? I mean after that. No, sorry.

It's a typical Tsongkhapa sentence. I'm sorry. Who wrote this comment?

It turned to me. Okay, go. Okay.

Okay. Nice. Among all the teachers.

Good. Plural, yeah. Among all the teachers in the world.

The teacher who taught the dependence. Yeah, good. And among all the shit-ups in the world.

Among all the wisdom or knowledge in the world. Yeah, the shepa of tendra. The wisdom of the dependence.

Yeah, of all the teachers in the world, you. Of all the wisdoms in the world, the wisdom of dependence, okay? Ni, those two.

They are like jikten dag na gyelway wangpong. They are the worldly victors? Yeah, they're like the big bosses of all the powerful people in the world, okay?

You are... Here's papa, not as Arya. Highest.

Superior? Yeah, you are higher. Arya means higher, okay?

You are higher. Especially higher. Amazingly higher, okay?

Among all the worldly victims. Worldly victorious people. Shindu.

You are Shindu Puduchunga. You are super cool, okay? A lot makes sense here.

But the root text says legs, so I don't know. We'll look at it. Maybe we'll find another version.

And then he's comparing our teacher to Sergya. Dan Kramer. Kapila.

Yeah, he's like some famous non-Buddhist teacher from Buddha's time. Why did our commentator choose him?

[Speaker 2]
He's the... I mean, he's the father of all the non-Buddhist systems, as we were taught it at least in the Drupada book.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he's trying to find somebody to compare to the historical Buddha, right? So he's got to mention some teacher who was alive at that time. Even though his audience probably doesn't know who Sergya is.

Okay, so okay. You are... Those guys, those shen, Gibson.

Other people? Yeah, those other teachers, those other guys. Tokpa men.

They don't understand. Yeah, they don't understand. Especially they don't understand dependence, okay?

Cool. And then Gibson, I thought you and Nick can try to find some other scans of this. Yeah, I'm going to look at the root text then.

This lock is a little bit tricky. It could be lake, it could be lock. The root text says lake.

I think it's lock, it just is, right? Yeah, and it makes sense. It actually makes more sense.

So it'd be interesting to see some other carvings. Do you want to make Linzi suffer, or you want some new victim? Uh, yeah, Linzi, read another.

Okay. One more time? So we reached a new section, which is we're going to Döpa Lord Buddha Chedak Duk.

We are going to praise the Buddha in detail. Yeah, for one thing, for doing one thing. Dandelsung.

For how he taught dependence. Right, yeah. And that's going to have three parts.

Praising him, how he taught dependence has three parts. The first part is the tool for his dandelsung. The way he taught dependence.

The way he taught dependence. And we're going to include some comments about the gupa for his teaching. The purpose.

Yeah, why did he teach it. And then secondly, chupay nendeng gi drupay chu tsul samotopa shukpa trul tsul The able one, the Buddha, he practiced nendeng. Purpose?

Nendeng, anybody? Doesn't it mean a purpose gap? Nendeng means kicked ass.

He worked really hard. Nendeng means he worked really hard at it. And I like it.

It's nice. Tsongkapa is saying, look, Lord Buddha wasn't born with that understanding. He worked hard at it.

Nendeng, he worked hard. He spent many years trying to figure it out. Nendeng, he practiced the Dharma.

And then he samotop. You understand the deepness. Yeah.

The profound. Yeah. Dopa shepa.

And then trul is the honorific for gyewa. To increase? Give birth to his understanding.

He worked really hard. And he did give birth to. Very honorary language.

He gave birth to understanding. That's kind of nice when they talk about Lord Buddha struggling. And then Lord Buddha figuring it out.

And that gives us hope. Third part. De la tenny tupe gongpa jeetar tsawa.

What kind of gongpa did the tupa tsawa? What is the true intent? Yeah, based on all that hard work, what was it that he figured out?

Let's hear what he figured out. If he worked so hard, what did he figure out? That's nice.

It's nice to believe that Lord Buddha had trouble also. Who's next? Gibson.

I got lots of... You got Lanlang. You got lots of victims.

Yulia. Yulia Spartenko.

[Speaker 2]
Hello, everyone. Hi. Tangola sum tupe dulce nyang.

De nde tok chir du ten drel ten su.

[Speaker 1]
De tar ten peyi.

[Speaker 2]
Ten tan zin par yin peyi. Kyu ten sung we tang.

[Speaker 1]
Sung ja. Sung ja.

[Speaker 2]
Sung ja tangpa rinpo chi chewa shepa.

[Speaker 1]
Nice reading. You must be a Word Student also. dangpo la sum means that first category where...

Let me see. nyipa ten... Where we explained how he taught dependence and we explained the purpose.

Okay. We have three parts. tupe dulce nyang de tok chir.

He wanted dulce nyang de tok. Gibson? He wanted students to get nirvana.

Good. Therefore, he's teaching us how to... Now, be careful.

B-S-T-E-N. How to give. Yeah.

How to... How to use dependence. How to use the idea of dependence.

Okay? So he says, Look, if you guys want to achieve nirvana, you're going to have to learn how to... B-S-T-E-N.

Which means you're going to have to learn how to use the idea of dependence. So normally we see B-S-T-E-N as words said, how to rely on a Lama. But here he says, you're going to have to learn to rely on the idea of dependence.

You're going to get to nirvana. And then he's going to... dey tar tenpay tenpa dzinpa kupe gyu tsen.

He's going to give us the gyu tsen, why we should kupa. It was the reason why we should pay respect to the teaching, to those who hold the teaching. Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.

Yep. And then, sung ja is... sung is the past participle of dzin in the last line.

Okay? Which is held. Okay?

Which is held. Okay? So, what are they supposed to...

In the last line it said you're going to keep the teachings. You're going to be a person who keeps the teachings in the world. And then he says, the thing you're keeping, sung ja, the thing you're keeping is tenpa rinpoche.

It's the precious teaching. Yeah. And when you say chewa, it means the greatness.

Okay? The greatness. I'm going to explain to you how great is the teaching.

Okay? How great is the teaching. There's a very famous part in the Lam Rim where they talk about the four greatnesses of the Lam Rim, for example.

That's chewa. Okay? Normally chewa is an adjective, like big, but here it means greatness.

Okay? All right. And who's next, Gibson?

Venerable Suma? No? Yes.

I try my best. All right. DANG PO NI GYUR GYIS BYIS NYE ZAS SOGS SIG CHE SIG GYI BRTEN LA Very nice.

And it means, I'm going to cover the first of the three sections of this part. And that's that we're going to describe how the Buddha wants to get people to nirvana, and then teaches them to use dependence. And that was so short, Gibson, that I think we should make her read the next one.

Really. DANG PO NI GYUR GYIS BYIS NYE ZAS SOGS SIG CHE SIG GYI BRTEN LA Is that correct? Yes.

Nice. Nice reading. Okay, Gibson, let's translate.

DUN PA GYUR You, the teacher. Yeah, you gave a lot of sunraps. The highest spoken word.

Yeah, you gave a lot of teachings, but of all of them, of all of them, now here's an idiom, you guys. LAS TZAM LAS TZAM is an idiom. Do you remember?

That you composed? With LAS word, when LAS comes before it, it means they start off from a certain point. They start off from a certain point.

They always start off from a certain point. Whatever teachings Lord Buddha ever gave in his life, he always started off from TEN DRA. Always start from the dependence.

Always start from teaching dependence. Cause and effect. Seeds and reality.

Seeds and the world. They start from that. Of all the gyur jas possible in the whole universe, he always starts with seeds.

Okay? And gyur jas means all the topics in the universe. Of all the things he can teach, he always teaches the pen first.

Over and over again. Not because he can't remember. And why he teaches that over and over again, he wants the dul jah...

You want to... What's it say? Dul jah...

Student? Disciple. Discipline.

Discipline, yeah. He wants the disciples to topa gopang. To achieve a statement.

Yeah, he wants them to achieve the... State of perception? State of nirvana.

Yeah, the state of nirvana. Okay, good. By the way, anticipatory translation, what is the state of nirvana roughly?

More negative emotions. Yeah, here it comes. Here it comes.

So when you translate, try to keep your mind open. Try to keep your head open. Let's see, he just talked about reaching nirvana.

Maybe he's going to talk about negative emotions. Okay, good. DUL BYED NYON MONGS DGOS Everything he taught, he taught as a top to shiwa, the nyon mongs of the dul jah.

Gibson. He taught as a method to pacify those negative emotions. Yeah, of the dul jahs.

Of the students. Of the students, yeah. Shiwa, I would make it stronger.

I would make it something like kill or destroy, or something like that, okay? Pacify is too polite. Yeah, okay.

Everything he taught, he taught for the purpose of killing kleshas and negative emotions, okay? In fact, double negative here, Gibson, for $50! There's no single book that you taught without the dependence.

Yeah, you got the first part right. There's nothing he ever taught that wasn't for the purpose of nyon mongs shiwa. For the purpose of killing the students' negative emotions.

Yeah, that's a $48 answer. So you don't need to collect from Venerable Jigme or something. Okay, yeah.

Thank you. It's a beautiful statement. There doesn't exist any teaching you ever gave which wasn't for the purpose of helping the students squash their negative emotions.

Cool? Okay. All right.

Who's the next victim? Oh, let me see. Venerable Choong Jung.

Uh-oh. Choong Jung. Yesterday we had a team at my house, and we were feeding my roses, because it's springtime and they need to eat.

And one of the secret fertilizers comes from Starbucks. And in your honor, everybody was saying, let's put the coffee on the roses. I hope it works.

Good coffee. Good. Yeah, and it just refers to the second part that he already mentioned, which is respect for those who keep this teaching.

And Choong Jung, can you continue here? Yes. This is messed up.

Okay. Sorry. Come on.

I don't know. My computer is not working. Okay.

Okay. Sorry. Yeah, I guess when I'm showing a document in Zoom, I can't change it, Nick.

I'm sorry. Okay. All right.

What's SKAD MA'O, Gibson? Oh my god. Amazing.

Oh my gosh. Your DENG PA, Mr. DENG PA. Your teaching, Mr. Teacher?

Yeah. And your precious teaching is when it's SONG BA into the LAM of the NALA of your disciples. SONG BA.

I don't know what's the word. Went. Went into the earhole.

Went into your ear, students. Ear path. Okay.

As soon as your words have entered the ear canal of your students, okay? Of course, we're not going to translate it, are we? As soon as your words touch the ears of your students, all of them can achieve ZHI BA.

Peace? Yeah, with ZHUGS SMRU. It's supposed to be SMRU, ZHUGS SMRU.

Cry? Tear? No, ZHUGS SMRU goes together.

ZHUGS SMRU goes together. Little? Yeah, little ZHUGS.

ZHUGS means trouble. ZHUGS means hassle. Hassle is a good translation for ZHUGS.

I mean, you can't use it in a bunk bed. So, if they start from the idea of seeds with the pen, then they can easily understand everything else. Okay?

ZHUGS SMRU. And they can easily achieve nirvana. Okay?

Therefore, what kind of KHYAD PA... What kind of wise man? Yeah, what...

Wise woman? Yeah. Who wants to RTEN PA RDZIN PA.

Who wants to keep the teaching. Yeah, who wants to keep the teachings. Why wouldn't they KU to you?

Why wouldn't they respect you? Yeah, of course they would. So he says MI GUD DE KU.

Why wouldn't they? Of course they would. They would respect you.

Because your words have such a good result on the students. All right. Gibson, who's...

Let's skip this next. Yes, he's just repeating the section. Okay?

Straight to the commentary. Who's going to read, Mr. Gibson? Ting?

From Vietnam. Thank you, Teacher Gibson. All right.

Nice! Wow, you guys are unbelievable. All right.

What's up, Mutek, Gibson? River School. Yeah, good.

River people, good. Non-British, okay? All right.

Phe go means... Chi go, yeah. Phe is an old word for chi, the other guy in the debate.

You jompa all those guys. You defeat them. Yeah, you defeat them.

This is difficult. Tak means the upper part of your skull. This is called tak, the part which is air-conditioned on me and John Brady.

That's called takpa. This spelling, L-T. What's R-T?

Permanent? Permanent, or changing. Unchanging, right?

In Tibetan, when you want to say, I did not mess up the order, you say, I didn't mess up the top and the bottom. So, takta ok means the top and the bottom. I didn't confuse the order of the teaching.

I taught it in the correct order, from top to bottom, something like that. Takpa okpa. This is a really extremely difficult word.

I thought you might appreciate it. Gyalm du, without the S, is a separate idiom. Very rare, pretty rare.

Gyalm du means internal contradiction. Okay? Gyalm du means opposites came together, and they're like the top and the bottom.

So, gyalm du means opposites came together. Gyalm du. And then he put an instrumental on it.

He added an S to it. Okay? So, it's very, very difficult.

And then the word emptiness, in English, you use the genitive. You say it is empty of any contradiction or something. But what do you have to say in Tibetan?

Instrumental. Yeah, you have to use the instrumental. So, this is extremely difficult, four little syllables here.

Empty of gyalm du. Inconsistencies. Yeah, devoid of any inconsistency.

Devoid of any inconsistency between up and down. Okay? All right?

Okay? Devoid of any internal inconsistency. Okay?

Ben? Yeah? Why is there an S on the tongue?

Is that a tamka? He made a verb out of it. Oh.

Empty? Empty your eyes? Not bad.

It's kind of cool, actually. Something I would do. He made a verb out of emptiness.

He called it empty of. Okay? By the way, there's supposed to be three cool qualities here of the Buddhist speech.

Okay? Number one, it smashes all the river guys. Number two, it's free of any internal inconsistency of top to bottom, you know, of mixing up top with bottom.

Third, kam sum kye gu ne kam. So, the verb here is derwa. What's that mean, you guys?

Grants. Yeah, it grants or it gives with difficulty or? Without any difficulty.

Super easy. Deluctive. It grants easily the dun yi of all people.

The two goals. Yeah, the two goals. What are the two goals?

Ne kap and tar tu. The temporary and ultimate. Yeah, you can get raised at work and you can get out of this suffering of samsara.

The Buddhist teachings promise both. Okay? All right?

You can get both. I like it. Okay?

No matter what realm you're in. Okay? What's kye gu mean?

Every being. Yeah, all beings. Yeah.

And it's the number nine used as many. So, the third great quality of your teaching is that it easily gives all beings in the universe their ultimate and temporary goals. Your teaching has kye chu sum.

Three attributes. Quality. Yeah.

So, oh, teacher, your look is very somber. Your way, your system is beautiful. Yeah.

And I'm so tro up che about it. I'm so happy. I'm so delighted about it.

Who? Losang Dagpa. Je Tsongkapa.

Yeah, Je Tsongkapa is... Je Tsongkapa is saying, I really like your teaching. It's amazing.

All right? Good. All right, next one.

Who's going to read, Gibson? Let me see. Gibson.

When Ben had his... In Ben's text, it took like a year or something to get to the hard part. Yeah.

And you should enjoy this text because after this, I'm hitting you on the head. Okay. With Chang'e.

Okay, here we go. Geshe-la, somebody say this is the abbreviation or how to say the quote of the Chang'e. Is that true?

They say... They say the place of the dependent is the show version of the Chang'e. Well, I have to cook that.

Cook that. Okay. Maybe they're connected if you're doing them one after the other.

Who's going to read? Dodo. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Okay. Nyipa.

Who's Tupa Gipsu? The evil one. Yeah.

He worked really nen ten. He worked really hard. Yeah, he worked really...

it's nice to hear that the Buddha also worked hard. He worked really hard, and then he saw moto. He realized the profound, the emptiness.

Yeah, and now we're using it as a noun. The understanding of the profound, he trung de. He gave birth?

Yeah, he gave birth to it. He gave birth to it. He worked really hard, and that's why he gave birth to the understanding of emptiness.

And it's good to hear that Lord Buddha was also confused about emptiness, and then he worked on it, and then he understood it later. It's an example. We're going to divide that whole topic into two natural parts.

Can you guess? Number one, how did he work hard? And number two...

What did he realize? How did he get it? Cause and effect, right?

Can you tell us more about the hard work he did? It's good to hear that Lord Buddha was frustrated. It's very comforting.

And then, can you tell us how did it work out? When he succeeded, what did it feel like? That's very nice.

Alright, so here we go. We're going to skip this little intro thing. Who's going to read, Gibson?

Buddha. Uh-oh, trouble. You got one minute.

I wasn't ready for this. I'm sorry. ...

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Very nice. Very nice. ...

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... ... You gave away your children, you gave away your life, your wife, and they were nying du dukpa for you.

Here it means they were very dear to you. They were dear to your heart. This is not the duk and dungyal.

It's the opposite. Duk means attractive. They were very, very precious to you, and you gave them away.

And you gave away, say, food, and you gave away, say, clothes, and your Tesla, shimba, ride, and all this stuff that you owned. You gave away everything. On different occasions, you gave away everything over and over and over.

And you did that for chang re kelpa. Countless eons. Countless eons.

Yang ne yang. Again and again. Over and over.

Dung here means like dung in Donglin. You gave it away. You gave up.

And that's how you droop your understanding of dependence. How you achieve your understanding. That's how you did it.

You suffered for countless lifetimes, and you gave away for countless lifetimes everything you had. And that's how you got to this understanding. Cool?

So if we have to give away a little popcorn, we can probably do it. Okay. We stopped here.

I'm sorry. Let me see what's happening. I'm in a different...

Okay, I'll make a mark. Here we go. Okay.

Here we go. All right. Stopped here.

What's the date today? Three? Four?

Okay, good. Okay, now. Mr. Gibson. This part that starts with dung ne dong ne. Okay? Okay.

This part, can you translate? Yes. Okay, good luck.

Thank you again. Thank you for working on it. Just enjoy your vacation until we get to your other book, okay?

Okay. All right. Say hi to Emily.

Okay. I will. All right.

Mr. Nick, turning it back over to you. Mr. Gibson. Oh, well, hello.

Oh, I still have time. We have time for Mr. Gibson to present 15 minutes. Okay, I get to take a break.

I'm going to... Yes, sir. Okay, thank you again.

Okay. Thank you, guys, for a wonderful class every time. Yeah, thank you.

So, today we have a lot to talk about. So, does anyone have anything they want to share? I will share one first.

I'm so glad. It's only going to take countless eons of giving away everything that is precious to me in order to realize or have an understanding of dependence. Yeah.

And if it took him a countless eon, it's probably going to take me a countless, countless eon. Countless. Highest countless.

Yeah. It was counting. Yeah, I think one thing is that I often get discouraged on my practice.

So, in the text today, Je Tsongkhapa reminds us that we are approaching to the Lord of Death. And the only thing we can do is to rejoice that we have the correct teaching. We use the correct reasoning to know that we have the authentic teaching from the Buddha.

And, yeah. Anyone? Okay, Tracy.

I just want to add, what a breath of fresh air to hear that Lord Buddha had to work so hard. That kind of gives me a little bit of space of, okay, well, if he had to work hard, then it's okay that I have to work really hard. So, this feels like a breath of fresh air.

I wonder if there's a trick or a cheat here to not have to work so hard. I almost felt like the book is saying that I don't have to work as hard because he did.

[Speaker 2]
Because we had this teacher who did this work before us.

[Speaker 1]
And maybe we did do some work to live in a world where this teacher is present. In this reality, since in the time that I remember, I don't feel like I worked nearly hard enough to deserve the presence of such a teaching in the world. But at the same time, I think that there's this almost like a joke going on.

I don't know if joke's the right word, but I can't help but think while we're discussing dependence.

[Speaker 2]
The value of this teaching and this teacher who crafted this teaching. That the point of dependence is that what he achieved is possible because it exists in dependence.

[Speaker 1]
That everything that we want, everything we dream of is possible in dependence upon understanding dependence. There's this cute joke I feel like almost like going on in the periphery of this text the whole time. That if you understand dependence, then you understand how understanding dependence will deliver you into the state of the one who crafted this teacher.

It's like we're bowing down or paying reverence to a cause, which is the cause of what we have the opportunity to become. And if we just praise over and over this extraordinary teaching, that if I could just plant it in my brain, this one who went ahead of me, who did the work for me. If I could just take what they tried to give us and put it in my brain, put it in my heart, then in dependence upon that understanding of dependence, I can reach that same state.

Yeah, cool. Does you guys remember that at the very first beginning of the translation of this book, Keshla said when Je Tsongkhapa praised Loboda about the dependence, he's actually talking about emptiness. But I have been translating for a while and took this class for a while.

I couldn't see very clearly how this emptiness is showing in this text. Do you guys have any thought that why the emptiness is actually the core of this text? Can you say that again?

Yeah, because at the very beginning, Keshla reminded me or reminded everybody that when we are going to translate this book, it's that Je Tsongkhapa praised Loboda because he teaches dependence. He's actually praising Loboda about emptiness. Am I remembering correctly or not?

Yeah, that he used dependence to get to emptiness. Oh, he used dependence to get to emptiness. Right.

All right. So probably this class will hit to the core that he worked so hard and he really worked hard on dependence and even give away anything, give away the food and clothes. And he come to understand emptiness, right?

I guess so. He came to understand dependence and then maybe came to understand emptiness. Yes.

A secret to the middle way, right? We learn in course one, ACI course one. If you understand dependence, then you can never think that really.

If you understand dependence, you can never think things really exist. And if you understand emptiness, then you can never think things don't exist at all. OK.

Cool. So, yeah, it's a really cool trick. And today, it's also mentioned about all the topics in the world.

Loboda always start with dependence. And it helps you to get to nirvana very easily. And, yeah, it's really a very profound idea that I got ever since I knew the system from the design system.

The first idea that attract me is what do you want? You have to keep first to the other. And in that time, I didn't even know what is emptiness really.

But the idea of what you want, you have to give to others is like a magnet to attract me and the people around me to join the class and listen to what Geshe-la say. And I really appreciate that in this text, Loboda say that in every topic he has ever taught, he always start with dependence. And I remember two things from this class.

Hi, Gibson. Hey. Hey, number one is we're all dummies.

We're all stupid. Somehow that sentence struck me. But we are also very lucky.

So we are all lucky stupid people who have hope. And second thing is all these teachings will bring two goals to us, the temporary ones and the ultimate one. Somehow in our culture, some people tend to think it's wrong to pursue those short-term goals.

But instead, all these teachings were designed to bring both to you. And you don't have to do two different things. Also, like you don't have to work on your temporary goals like a good job, good income, and then you reach freedom by doing a separate different practice.

You do the same thing, you give and give and give, and you get both. That system I like. Yeah, because in our culture, we think that we need to sacrifice one of these to get to the other one.

So it's good to hear that. We can work for our beautiful house, family, and at the same time work for our long future. Cool.

Anyone? Okay. Yeah, so I hope we can all work hard and at the end, it can give birth for us to have the understanding of the emptiness.

Yeah. I have a quick announcement to make. Okay.

Before we jump in. So thank you so much for that awesome talk, guys, and everybody for chiming in and sharing your thoughts with us. That was really just a beautiful discussion, as we always have here.

And it's fun. And I appreciate all of you for coming and participating. And so after this, we'll have 15 minutes with the Peachtree World News.

And then after that, we'll have a Q&A with none other than WordSmith. So for those of you who haven't had the chance to pick his brain, ask him all the toughest questions that you can think of because he loves it. So thank you all so much and enjoy.

We have the Peachtree World News standing by. Look at that. Juan Jasso, ready to go?

[Speaker 2]
Hey, thank you. How are you doing? Nice one.

[Speaker 1]
Are you circumambulating the globe?

[Speaker 2]
The globe?

[Speaker 1]
With the earth there behind you.

[Speaker 2]
I guess subconsciously. These days I am in Mexico, Guadalajara. Cool place to be for those of you who haven't been here.

I really recommend it. This year there is going to be a retreat in July. But apparently the retreat is not happening in Guadalajara.

Actually, I think it may be happening more like nearby Mexico City, which is another great city to get to know. Very, very beautiful. Very, very cool.

And we'll talk about that later. But for now, we want to share with you. Well, as all of you know, I mean, we are here in this program, Diamond Cutter Classics.

Sorry, Gina is going to help me sharing the screen. So yeah, Diamond Cutter Classics has this wonderful translation program. Here we are just sharing a little bit of the QR code.

For any of you that may want to talk to your friends or family about this, you may be able to share the poster and let them know if they are ever interested to attend. You can use this QR code just for you to remind you that classes are happening every Saturday and every Monday. Saturday 8 a.m. to 9.30 a.m. at Arizona time. And Mondays 4 p.m. to 6.30 p.m. Arizona time. And this is a very, very wonderful project. It's one of the, how do you say, most important efforts, I think, in this world to preserve this ancient wisdom.

In order to do that, you know, everyone is welcome to come. There is, I don't know, I think a Chinese interference. But that's good because that means people are listening to this program in so many languages.

So in order to preserve this knowledge, Diamond Cutter is launching a very cool project you may have heard about already, and it's the Book Night Reading Club. We want to keep encouraging all of you to sign up if you can. It's going to really support this mission of preserving ancient wisdom.

I myself have signed up, and I really don't regret it at all. I was a little hesitant just because I'm not used to signing up for these things. But once I give myself the chance, it has been great.

I already have some of the books they are sending to you. And actually, it's very nice to give yourself the chance to read some of this content just before going to bed. I've been doing it as well, and I really recommend it.

So if you want to give yourself the chance to participate in this, you will be also helping so much this project. We just want to keep encouraging people to please consider joining the Good Night Club. You can also talk next picture, please, with each of your regional directors.

So Ine Banina for US, Europe, Estina Liu for Asia, China especially, Latin America, Olga Van Dyck, Mr. Bean for Vietnam, Asia, Su Geng Shi, and Xin Tian Li. So yeah, just use the QR codes. You can also talk to them directly, and you're going to be supporting this wonderful, wonderful mission.

Speaking of that, this upcoming Friday here in Mexico, the Latin America Good Night Reading Club, called Club de las Buenas Noches, is having a special event to advertise for the first book they are going to be using here in Mexico. And it's a very special book that talks about the relationship between the teachings of Jesus and the ancient wisdom that we are studying in this ancient text. I think it's especially relevant for Latin America because, as you may know, Christian religions are the most important religions here in this area in Latin America.

So we want to wish them a lot of success. They're going to launch this talk. They're going to be promoting the book and the Good Night Reading Club for Latin America.

If you're interested to attend, you can email to clubdelasbuenasnoches, diamondcolorclassics.org, or you can contact Flavia directly. The event is going to happen live. So Daniel from Germany is going to be coming to Mexico, but it's also going to be broadcast online on Zoom if you are interested to attend.

Next, please. Yes, we want to keep inviting you to the upcoming course and event that Ward Smith is going to be teaching on ancient medicine, how to use the energy and medicine to improve our lives, our daily lives. It's going to be a very practical course.

I think it's going to be great. I know, Ward, you know how to say, I trust the content is going to be very, very great. If I'm wrong, you talk to him and maybe ask for a refund, but I don't think so.

So anyways, we're going to have a special interview with a very dear friend of ours from Diamond Mountain just in a few more minutes, two more minutes to go. I just want to show you a few more upcoming events before we move on and on to the interview. So next thing, it's about the Kyoto event that is happening just in a few weeks.

It's happening in Japan. Tim Lowenhaupt is organizing a special teaching. If you have the chance, I'm not getting tired of keep inviting you just be around, try to go.

It's going to be very, very cool. And it's going to happen five days from the 19th to the 23rd. Use the QR code, talk to Tim, tell him you really want to go and maybe something can happen.

Next about that is we are letting you know that Sedona College of Alumni Association is looking for volunteers. So if you are interested in being a volunteer, talk to Sugeng and Xing Tian. They may give you more information on how you could get involved into this.

I think it's going to be very cool. There is like a little picture there that you can use for the yes. The next one gives you more details.

So yeah, Outreach Manager, Membership Coordinator and Program Director. That sounds amazing. So if you have some free time and a lot of energy to help, don't hesitate to contact them.

I think it's going to be very, very worth it. There is a place you can contact them at the bottom, skaa.reunionatsedonacollegeinternational.com. Sugeng and Xing Tian are coordinating this.

And right now, I think we're going to we have a few more news that we want to share with we. We're going to keep like little by little delivering this content. For now, we're going to go on and have an interview with our friend from Diamond Mountain, Kat.

She's working on a very cool project called Sky Harvest, and they are about to have a special summit. We want to talk a little bit about that and maybe you feel interested to attend. So let's see if Kat is around.

[Speaker 1]
Hi there.

[Speaker 2]
Hello.

[Speaker 1]
I'm here.

[Speaker 2]
Amazing. Where are you? Is that like a is that like a real house or you're on a background?

[Speaker 1]
I'm at Chamion.

[Speaker 2]
Wow, that looks beautiful. Every time better. That's amazing.

Good to be back. That's nice. Good to see you.

So can you tell us a little bit of what's what's coming up? Well, regarding the Sky Harvest, I know you're having a summit. Can you tell us a little bit and what was the plan?

[Speaker 1]
Well, the summit is coming up later in September, so we'll talk to you more about that later. It's very exciting. The summit last year was a beautiful success.

So we're looking forward to another year coming up this spring. We're going to have our first volunteer session for Project Oasis, which is transforming the property that was gifted to Sky Harvest from Lama Anipalma's family for the benefit of the Bui community. And the community of Bui is very much in need.

There are 320 people who live there, almost 30 percent below poverty level. And the nearest grocery store is 25 miles away. I'll slow down by freeway.

So it's difficult for the people to buy good food. So we're going to do a big experiment, hopefully that we can share around the world and see how many of the 320 people we can feed out of this property from Lama Anipalma's family. So May 31st through June 3rd, we're going to paint our building.

Would you like to show another picture? We're going to paint the building. We have a little more than half an acre and we're going to install water catchment equipment on this building as a model to then install on all the homes for all the families who live there.

The project was born out of despair, actually, on several fronts. The water table is going down eight feet per year. The aquifer cannot refill as fast as it's being pulled out.

So we're going to try to develop an alternative water source for the people who live there and then grow food with that water that we harvest. Can you show another picture? So you can see the building is in great need of repair.

And this will be one of the only, if not the only, gathering place in the town of Bui. So this will become a place where people come to garden. The grandmother can sit on the front porch.

The children can work in the soil. We're going to jump in with the school and develop curriculum and bring the school kids over and then share the food with all the people who live there. And we have been blessed with Benji Bridges from YSI, as well as Bob Cyrano with their brilliant focus on permaculture.

And Benji's writing the permaculture plan. Oh, thank you for that new picture. To grow this high yield food forest on this property.

Now the building in the back, this is interesting, is the water company. We're right next door to the water company. So not only will we be partnering with the school, but we'll partner with the water company.

We're also going to partner with Natural Resource Conservation Services and some other very exciting partners from our worldview organization. We'll announce that later when we have a few more pieces put together. So if you'd like to participate and help out, do we have a QR code on that flyer?

You can come in person or. Yes.

[Speaker 2]
So apparently, as we can see in the flyer, the project is scheduled for, it's April the 31st?

[Speaker 1]
Yes, through June 3rd. And we'll pick you up at the airport. We'll give you a place to stay.

We'll cook food together. And we'll hand you a paintbrush. First of all, then we're going to build a composting toilet.

And we're going to build a compost pile. And we're going to test soil and test water. And it's going to be very exciting start of a grand permaculture plan that literally is going to cover the town of Bowie.

So that you can walk down the street and pull food off the trees along the street.

[Speaker 2]
That's wonderful. That sounds exciting. And I have the chance to participate in some of the Sky Harvest projects.

And it's very fun, except when you get sick. One time I got sick, but not because of that. Just because, you know.

So it was fun. Anyways, I spent the whole week sick while my friends were working. But I had the chance to see them work.

Even more fun. You don't have to work. You just see the job get accomplished.

I'm not just kidding. But I made a mistake. It's not on April.

It's on May, right?

[Speaker 1]
May 31st. Yes, to June 3rd. Or anytime you can come.

Just go to skyharvest.org. I hear the QR code is not working. Skyharvest.org.

Drop us a note. And let us know you want to come. Or how you want to help.

And we can point you in a fun direction.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, thank you very much. And by the way, I just hear you guys at Diamond Mountain are having a very cool event and retreat happening these days. So just wishing you the best of success.

I hear like there is a big group of people moving into advanced teaching. So congratulations. That's amazing.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, thank you. It's delightful, actually. Some of the original people from Diamond Mountain are here leading this retreat.

So it's wonderful.

[Speaker 2]
Wonderful, wonderful. Okay, Kat, thank you very much for spending time with us. We'll talk to you some other time soon.

And sending best wishes for now.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you for inviting us.

[Speaker 2]
Very welcome. Next, we are going to Ben Kramer for our Q&A session. Oh yeah, we want to invite you to the event happening this Wednesday after tomorrow.

Sign up if you haven't. It's going to be very cool. Many things about communication.

How to plant good seeds with communication. How not to plant bad seeds with communication. Seed correlations regards communication.

And more things about how we can create harmony and success with our words. Now we go with Ben Kramer.

[Speaker 1]
Also, I believe I'm doing the Q&A.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, you're doing it? Okay, sorry.