Гибсон Чан — Книга 2: Восхваление зависимости, занятие 2

[Speaker 1]
Geshe-la, what did you say? I got to take the airplane? Yeah, right now.

OK, let's go. Today we are going to two airplanes. We have two homework.

Wow, that's mean. OK.

[Speaker 3]
I forgot to.

[Speaker 1]
OK, so let me first make this correct. Let me see. OK, so we are going to do the right part for the last book, The Spiritual Song of Life.

And there are different versions, different title for these texts. Can anybody give a sound of this text in English and Tibetan? I can do it, but since you're not offering any money, I'll let somebody else.

Yeah, India, I need your help for the last one, because I never heard it before. Uh-oh. OK, the first one is about a soul.

Can anyone guess? Let me see in the chat. OK, the first one is the soul of my spiritual life.

OK. And how about the Tibetan? What is the Je Tsongkhapa's abbreviation name, the first one?

Is it something like Je Nyam Gur? Yeah, Je Nyam Gur, Cool Oscar. Wow.

OK, there's a longer version of this text. It's called The Song of Je Tsongkhapa's Spiritual Life. And what is the Tibetan of this text?

It's pretty similar to the first one. By the way, Gibson, I would put Je Nyam Gur, apostrophe I. Yeah.

OK. There you go. OK.

All right. So the second one is Rinpoche Bunbun. Yeah, Je Rinpoche Bunbun.

Nice. Do I need to put apostrophe I here? Yep.

OK.

[Speaker 3]
Yep.

[Speaker 1]
And by the way, people usually mistranslate Gurbum and say 100,000 songs. That's why you see translation of Milarepa's Gurbum as 100,000 songs. True.

Cool. And OK, the third one is about the Long Ring. What is the feature of this Long Ring?

It's pretty short. So how do we call this book? The Condensed Long Ring or the Summarized Long Ring?

The Summary of the Step on the Path. OK. And how about the Tibetan?

Long Ring Duden. Long Ring Duden. Nice.

Nice name. And the last one I heard Geshe-la mention in the class. I'm not sure if these two are correct.

Jochu Long Ring or Jocho Long Ring. I'm not sure about this one. Because Geshe-la, you mentioned last time, you say it's also the official name is Jocho Long Ring or Jocho.

Introductory Long Ring? No, I don't think it's Jocho. It must be something else.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Speaker 2]
OK.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. OK. And I will do the research or I will listen to the recording again.

OK. I mean, I probably heard something and I don't remember. OK.

OK. Oh. This one.

The second question, I didn't change the title. Can anyone share your opinion why this Long Ring is supreme and beautiful and important? Is there a different answer for each adjective?

Yes. And it's about the length. Because it's one of them because Jason Kappa is showing how he's talking about his own personal practice.

This is one of them. And also, Jason Kappa mentioned in one of the words called Dudua. Summary?

Yeah, summary. It's to put up all the important points of the Thousand Pages of Long Ring, include the concurrent, tangible, open teaching, and secret teaching in the summary way. So they are to summarize the content in a summary way.

So you can bring each subject to your mind when you recite the text. Yes. So the last question, the most famous verse in the text, like Nick say, Jason Kappa say that this is how I practice.

And those of you should do the same. And there are two versions of it. And can anyone tell me what is their first version genre?

The first version, let me just give you the Tibetan. OK. Where do you want to guess for the first Tibetan version?

Wait, for the genre or the two lines at the end, you mean? Yeah, the two lines. Oh, I didn't memorize them.

Yeah, I know it's I practice this way in social media. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, cool, cool, cool.

Yeah. Nam Juneg-gi kyang nyam nyam de dang che, and tang du de kyang de shing kyang che. And that's what I was about to say.

Yeah, cool. And what is the genre of the Tibetan of this genre? Tamtar?

It's called sumtobu. Is that right? Because that usually means like the scattered works of.

Yeah, it's I pick up this question from the last time or the time before. Yeah, it means at least text is not individual scan, and usually combined with the other text. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the English is called a collective brief of work. OK, yeah. And here is the English.

I asked a yogi yoga practitioner. They say, so I practice. You want to get liberation, please try to do the same.

Nice. And there is a second version where people in the monk in the monastery, they're afraid to say themselves as yoga or yogi. So they change some word of it.

They start, instead of nge, they say je rimpo she or something, right? I think it's je tsun lam me. Yeah, je tsun, je tsun, je tsun lam me dang neng.

Yeah, tang du dak kyang, dak means me, right? Dak kyang te shing kyang tsel. And the English is changed to, this is how memorable teacher practice.

And those of her who want to get liberation, I try to do the same. Nice. That's a...

And can anyone guess the genre of this, the Tibetan? I would say almost like a monlam or something. Yeah, I was going to say prayers.

Okay, let me see the answer. Chod chod. Chod chod.

Yeah, chod chod means a prayer book. Okay. Yeah, good, good, okay.

So is the praise of the dependent also a chod chod? Yeah, almost anything can be a chod chod. If you recite it as a drive to get breakfast.

Okay. All right. So Tibetan vocabulary, nye chok.

Is that ra la dun, to be a protector or something, to be a nurturer? Yeah, nurturer. Okay.

Okay. Okay. What about more?

By the way, for nurturer, I would cut the R off of tsor. Yeah. Oh, okay.

That's all. Yeah, okay. And more.

Seiji's wife? The content is someone urged Choney Lama to write the commentary of it. And this is how Choney Lama answer back.

Yeah. Literally face or something, but. Yeah, in response to.

Yeah, good. In response. Okay.

It's put the end of the sentence. So I respond to the one who urged to write a commentary, he do so. What about a par, bar?

That's a great question, Gibson. In this context, the thing that was carved, the booker that's being printed? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Auscaps, right? It's the woodblock. Woodblock, yeah.

By the way, sometimes, Gibson, they'll say shing bar. Shing bar. Oh, no, okay.

Woodblock. And nowadays in modern Tibetan, bar means photograph also. Nordbar?

Just bar in modern Tibetan can mean take a picture. Yeah, we don't care about that. Hard to go.

Yep. Okay, let's go to the second print. Yeah, print?

Yeah, you double torture. You are pulling my fingernails off of left hand and right hand. So what's the text, Praise of Dependent Man, talking about?

[Speaker 3]
Just praising that Lord Buddha taught dependent origination.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. But? but there's a but oh you're right on the first part and I like that Gibson yeah I think I guess what yeah I wrote the book which is really praise the Lord Buddha thanking him for teaching dependent and it's not so much about dependent and emptiness nice okay cool good so at the very beginning the master Christopher used to animal metaphor to praise Jason cover what silos to and how does he press it's making some pretty annoying sound oh a fox as a compared to a lion a tiger or a lion right yeah yeah you make the lion roll with the price of dependent scale with a data Fox who screened on the terrible sound of to a stream no so-called that being in the change and those who I think maybe we're nice okay good okay so please give me the fight the generation people's people's bodies their lifespan see if anybody's awake yeah they come in bank account generate mental friction worldview and lifespan nice okay okay and about the about the vocabulary what is a change it let me put it here I got you a guy's right no but it's a yeah what about a drawer to free or comment on yeah yeah to free the meaning of the word or the letter cool and that's one door to be spread about use almost only ever using the context of the five the generations yeah cool cool thank you okay so here is my translation good good day can I read the Tibetan first yes please okay when they come for young men say Tom say hi Harlan Chung soon to lay to pay to chick lectioning boy take the new brawler now I look yeah so there's two gumbos here good good right one is praising another gun no the Jason copper is pretty yeah yeah yeah one protectors is appraising another protector and the first one is Jetson copper good day yeah and the verb is in the third line he praised our protector praised the young man protector the matchless protector okay you see so our our protector praised the protector who has no equal yeah that's shoot oh Donna yeah what's it mean shoot on Donna pure food yeah say a pure food oh well yeah the Lord Buddha yeah yeah yeah Lord Buddha good okay so our our protector Jetson copper praise that protector who is the son of shoot oh Donna that's his Buddha's father's name okay and we're calling a lot of tension to Sunni life law is also the second protector yeah okay yeah the the God of all gods good tension to Sunni the prison presents yeah the way he's praising him for the way he spoke dependence okay to see and he refers to this book as the essence of good explanation yeah by the way this is not a reference to the other book that Gibson's going to translate after this one yeah so the lecture nimble is not it's pretty common reference to different books the essence of lecture is a difficult word because people translate it as well-written or good explanation but what it so it doesn't so much mean that it's written in beautiful words it means that the meaning is beautiful so somehow when you translate it you have to try to catch both okay and few words yeah what's the troll we had it in somebody's homework recently to liberate the meaning of the letter yeah yeah to make a commentary so I'm going to make a commentary to Jetson coppers eloquent meaningful words I promise that it's gonna be sick noon it's the short show book yeah don't worry you guys I'm gonna make a short commentary to explain the in a few words I'm gonna explain his words he's making a little joke yeah I'm gonna explain his words in a few words look is imperative he's telling people you should look your open your ear yeah open your ears yeah yeah yeah by the way very very rare word I don't think I've ever seen it but it's a open your ears or in English Gibson we say lend me your ear okay please make me alone of your ears cool and here is the second try yeah all right can you read it please yeah DJ Tangier Kimba loose on top a belki Sanjay John Dandela Samodendra soon be gonna do but never ship a nimble chitin you grew up last soon legitim shanky tun choky tun me yeah okay mmm word yes can can you cut look up lay I mean I thought it meant brains or something like that with a cop got a lot a LAD a KLAD that means brains again yeah but it doesn't make sense here either it's misspelled or maybe it can mean preliminary or beginning can you check yeah I think it can be just head sometimes like oh you're right you're right yeah you're right that's what it means okay J Tom J Kimber what's that mean the the Lord of knowing all things good loss on drop a loss on dropper praise the conquering Buddha sangha chairman Dana taught the deeper meaning of dependence go what's gonna mean it means because of the way he taught dependence you see I mean okay it means through that angle or you know there's you could praise Lord Buddha for many reasons but here it's for the reason that he taught dependence yeah so it's kind of like for the reason that okay all right mmm somebody gone a tupper so my drill are my commentary which is going to be brief I promise you it's going to be brief okay which is my common brief commentary to the words of that essence of great of eloquence okay my I'm gonna untie the meaning for you do well right yeah untie the meaning for you and the word that word and I were trying to look up lay lay normally means brain lay means brain but word said and I like it he said it means head meaning is the first topic it's the opening topic so brain here means head means opening topic first topic right word yeah and I confirmed in a great dictionary it means before the first or something like that yeah so first we're going to talk about the preliminaries and then we're going to talk about the shun main body of the text good and then juked in nice good good gives a nice translation let's go to the next section and can you read that one okay tambo ni namo kuru monju koshaya she betula duni jela me to tick zombo go to tune they like to be a chair llama chambay yam la chak chay lo she could soon Tom way to bow nice okay let's see this the first section to mean the introduction good starts with I bow to the master of wisdom whose name is Jennifer it's good our Lord Lama was delay shipping to teach in some way go oh this score is not the verb gore this is the the word go with la go la okay yeah equals go la yeah just go la yeah the R is a is a preposition so no R on the second set go la yeah there you go yeah so go means door so what's it mean here Gibson or it means the first part of something okay so it means here at the beginning of his praise okay that's all any of his praise not not delay it doesn't mean delay here yeah okay and then it's an interesting thing uh dude doing means the goal or what he wants to achieve so dude then means what he wants to achieve okay what is some copper want to achieve here to finish this book yeah yeah yeah good and so in order to finish it easily and quickly he he does this obeisance yeah so you got a catch cause and effect here okay because he wants to finish his book quickly and easily which Gibson also wants to do and he doesn't want to have obstacles or trouble in order to finish his book quickly and easily he bows down expresses his obeisance with crystal and admiration that's very good translation for dharma very very nice copy from your translation that makes okay and in his thoughts words and deeds good where is thoughts words and deeds in the Tibetan go soon yeah through the three doors yeah nice very very nice all right good translation that's John thank you thank you for working so hard and thanks for the double homework which is double double suffering all right here we go guess not before we start the cracks I I bought this book a few years ago and he happened to be some kind of a praise for dependence and you know introduction he mentioned there's a story why didn't cover Riley's book and he said he Riley's put after he seen emptiness directly and before that night he have a dream of the gentle voice and gentle voice keep him a commentary of Buddha paritta for the middle way over the middle way and the next day he seen emptiness directly and after after after like he wrote this text is this correct or any any text that we can find if if you want to we can go check right now I'll show you something okay hang on yeah we cannot see yours yeah I know not yet I want to bring it up first yeah so let's see you can see that right yeah yeah so that's the king of the Dharma book and you can find it in here it would take some time but he does have a vision of Buddha palita yeah and and so Gibson I'll give you homework to go study this book I think it's here actually yeah here but you can it's right here the story is right here so that's it I forget to pay oh my gosh I just messed it up yeah it's section number 98 in the paintings okay okay and you can see the story there okay cool maybe you can tell us later okay thank you that's a good book you guys should get it if you're allowed to get it is this it yeah we stopped here you finish that you finish this you finish this one right I think you start here right Gibson yeah we start from 10 yeah can you pick on somebody okay how about I'll let Tina hello mm-hmm yes okay here

[Speaker 2]
me pala me to pa no time some pay you then no but I'm cheap oh yeah Gibson you

[Speaker 1]
want to translate nipa lani okay the man the commentary on the main text have the two section yeah the bungalow at the back the actual the actual press yeah the actual praise and then he's gonna tell you the goods and why he told by this book the reason why he write it yeah yeah and then finally he's gonna throw in a little bit of more dedication yeah he's gonna dedicate his work to a higher purpose all right here's the first part which is the actual praise is gonna have three parts what are they oh you need someone to write okay well it's my lucky day today

[Speaker 3]
don't pull us in don't ten pa gay par shape I didn't do Joe didn't do well yeah okay

[Speaker 1]
Gibson easy okay the first part is in the commentary on the commentary on the main text after three parts the first one is the teaching in briefly and he will go deeper more stance nice formation and finally he will do a summary of the meaning perfect okay we're gonna skip the root text and you have to find someone to read yeah girl can read oh guys are picking on me today yeah Earl where are you it looks nice I'm in New York I didn't know the

[Speaker 3]
sunshine in New York today is hot all right here we go mm-hmm don't go knee-knee gong chic is unique King

[Speaker 1]
okay so sick check chick eat on lot good then yeah good so Gibson the first part means this little tiny mini summary of the whole book and it is contained in the verse that starts with Kong sheik sick right yeah and that's all I think you should make Earl read 14 also so guess I well you're here you said for the actual commentary oh I wanted you to do the bolding and you did down here yeah okay so it's a yeah I wanted to give Gibson their work to put the words in of the commentary in the bold here yeah okay darker letters yeah okay good I because that part so easy I think you should pick on early again I don't know all right we're okay finish the 14th yeah did me tendrell gong sheik rangi

[Speaker 3]
shik shing zhen la sung pa ko na yi kyem pa dang tong pa la na mey pa yin la Dana the gala go ta ma ten ching drill par jungwa shik shing dompa de la dak

[Speaker 1]
do do shape oh nice so let's read it Gibson the den the meaning of this opening verse which is supposed to be a brief summary of the whole book and by the way it's very common in Tibetan and Sanskrit to start a poem with I'm thinking of somebody okay so like congee lo do do me agenda like many many famous stotras many famous praises they're kind of like a guessing game I'm thinking of somebody who's a very has a very beautiful smile and who helps Gibson a lot and you know and then everybody's trying to guess who are you talking about so it's Emily right so when you start so here it is I'm thinking of somebody who seek tender who see the dependence yeah high honorific high honor yeah what's the non honorific me yeah I'm thinking of somebody who saw the meaning of dependence and who also saw it Shenla well so he's friendly to the other yeah people now the Kona is very difficult can you guess the thirstiness what's in it such an it I know that's they're gonna need that's they're gonna there's just Kona anybody this is only yeah but why meaning you can you can't get them to to experience it you can only tell them about it that's not a bad guess but if that was the case it would come after Kimba so it's a he must be Lana May would be Kona he's soon he's the only one that can explain dependent origination to them no he must be the greatest teacher of all time and and you don't need any more reason except one but he taught dependent he's yeah that he saw it and he taught it which is really two reasons I'm sorry so just because he really understood dependence they're not mentioning emptiness here just because he was the only one who really understood dependence he's already done by Lana Mepa that's a teacher that can't be he's the he's number one teacher in the universe and it and it's very strange because Choney Lama says he's the greatest teacher in the universe just because he understood dependence and taught it okay cool then I gala season number therefore I do I bow down first to the gala to the victor whose name is because he's sick and he don't dependent origination because he see and don't practice don't literally mean summarize but some of it means he taught it he taught it to us in in brief words he taught it to us I'll give 20 bucks anybody can explain the literal meaning I was wondering actually Tama is superlative Oh the most gal yeah yeah and it means by the way kid of them a bargain in soo gang's book is often referred to as kuchok the head bulls the head bull the head ball so got em go go means cow and the word cow came from go and it means got Tama means the big ball who leads the rest of the cows got it okay oh okay you have to collect the money from Ellie good luck I think she's coming to Korea so maybe you could get some get some money out of her I don't know yes Allah so was that an epitaph given to him after he was enlightened by people that I cannot say I don't know in it implies that doesn't it yeah it seems like it but yeah I don't personally know you know one thing they don't teach in the geshe course is history they don't teach anything about Buddhist history nothing and if you learn anything it's just by accident so to be honest I'm not strong in the Jataka tales and stuff like that yeah all right who's next

[Speaker 2]
nice then Jill he cookie go name so bad no so yeah good uh what is nipa I should

[Speaker 1]
have got it for you right oh it's the giver ship okay okay more detailed explanation of this book has two parts what are they Gibson and the reason why he praised the dependent the reason why he praises Lord Buddha because he taught dependence okay yeah why didn't he praise him because he taught emptiness why he praises him because he taught dependence why doesn't he praise him because he taught something else okay why does he choose dependence and by the way that's the genius thing about this book is the concept of the book that he praises Lord Buddha for dependence he's praising Lord Buddha for seeds and not for emptiness it's very interesting okay so there's a typo tendrell is well wrong yeah you're right sometimes okay all right I tend to give big isn't and ten down keep going to but then the actual work Gibson dedicate the dedicate the actual creator the actual actually first he says let me tell you why I'm gonna praise Buddha because he taught dependence and then I'll tell you how he taught dependence or the actual press who's gonna read yeah we can hear you

[Speaker 2]
now

[Speaker 1]
I didn't do it from the back of your throat lot bow bow yeah no tongue the tongue is passive not bow bow yeah you close the back of your throat okay good oh yay okay uh first he's gonna demonstrate that Dendrel is the chu che for korwa. The dependent is the way to cut the suffering. Yeah, it's the cutter.

Yeah, it's the cutter, chu che. Okay, good. Where do we see chu that everyone should remember?

Dorje chu. Diamond cutter. Yeah, good.

Ching gang ching. All right. Then he's going to show us the nyingpo of Dendrel.

Show us the essence of the teaching of dependence. Yeah, and then he's going to praise... He's going to say praising someone because they taught dependence is dupa chok.

It's the highest one. Yeah, that's the best way you could praise somebody, is by telling how they taught dependence. So again, I want you guys, during this book, during this second book of Gibson's, out of the 108 he's going to translate...

Did you hear that, Gibson? 108? I didn't get a meaning.

You're going to translate 108 major books in your lifetime. This is number two. Never forget, the point of this book is, we are praising Buddha for talking about seeds, and not for talking about emptiness.

It's very interesting. Why are we praising Buddha for teaching about seeds, and not because he taught about emptiness? That's a very strange question.

The whole book should answer this question. Apparently, it's more sexy to understand seeds than it is to understand emptiness. Whoa.

Is it because of Shintokukyo? Explain what you just said. I don't know.

I was just thinking about it a little bit. I feel like it might be because of the three levels of reality. Emptiness...

I don't know. A good physicist or someone can actually figure out emptiness, even maybe without the Buddha. But as far as where things really come from, only an omniscient being can see that.

So in a way, it's deeper. I think that's a good theory. Let's see if it's true as we read the book.

It sounds good to me, and I like that you're thinking about it. That's what I was hoping. All right, we're going to skip the root text because it's more fun to read the commentary.

Who are you going to pick on, Gibson? Roxana. Yay, Roxana is a good reader.

Let's see how she's doing today. Thank you. Nice, good.

Good pronunciation. Yay. She's almost as fast as Gibson.

All right, here's the first point. By the way, why does this say, again, wait for commentary, Gibson. Why did I write that note to you?

Because this is not the actual root text. Yeah, this is not where he's weaving in the root text. He's just mentioning the first line.

So you were correct. You did it correctly. When you make the root text darker in the commentary, when you use the bold, you have to be careful that you are not bolding out when he mentions the whole line.

That's not where... And when you translate it, it will not be in italics. Just the bold part will be in italics.

It's difficult because you're excited, you want to find the root text in the commentary, and it's very common to bold or italicize the wrong part. So when he starts out that verse with all the hassles in the world, cikten grupa, that four lines is supposed to explain chi che The cutter. Yeah, why is an understanding of seeds, why is an understanding of seeds the thing that cuts samsara?

Why? He says that topic, that subject, is going to be taught in this first verse. What's the meaning of the first verse?

Here's where we start our bolding. What's the word grupa mean? There's a really good English word, but you can't use it in a literary text.

You just mentioned the hassle, right? Yeah, hassle. Hassle is a perfect translation of grupa.

You cannot use it in a book, but it's the real meaning of grupa. All the hassles... ji nye means all the hassles in the world, however there are, however many there are, and he gives one example.

Like the attachment or desire? Yeah, wrong desire, mistaken desire. What's the difference between ignorant desire and desire?

Ignorant desire is you don't know that you have to give other first in order to get what you want. Nice, nice. Yeah, perfect.

It's not wrong to want a Tesla. You just shouldn't hurt anybody to get your Tesla. Okay, all right.

jikten la chak sok gi gupa Somebody's trying to get me to buy a Tesla truck. That's crazy. Okay, all the troubles in the world, their tsawa...

Their roots. Their root is marikpa. It's not understanding how the world works.

Yeah, good. And I'm glad you didn't say...

[Speaker 3]
Ignorance.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and I used ignorance for many years, but after we studied Sugeng's book especially, we understand marikpa is not a lack of knowledge, which is what ignorance means. Marikpa is misunderstanding, okay? Actively misunderstanding.

It's one thing to... You don't know somebody because you never met them. It's a different thing to misidentify them and hit the wrong guy, for example.

Okay? That's called misunderstanding. All right.

What is the function of misunderstanding? Go backwards from marikpa. It's like you're holding yourself and the thing as their own truth.

Yeah, as existing truth. As being existing truth. Yeah, you focus on mikpa, things, people, and things, meaning the...

Yours, me, and my. Parts of the person, yeah. As which we learned in whose book last night?

Nick's. Nick's book, yeah, Nick's book. We spent a long time on it in Nick's book.

All right, good. Here we go, Gibson. Who's going to read?

We still got some time. Okay, Uta. Yay, Uta!

[Speaker 2]
Thank you. Tendrel, Tokpe, Cherokee, Nalukangshik- Tongpe, Tongwe, Tongwe, Korwe, Tsawamarikpa, Delukpayente, Tokpa, Tokpa, sorry, Tokpayente, Delukpayente, Delukpayente, Doche, Doche, Tsentsek, Drelpar, Drelpar, Gyelwa Gyelwa, Tsongpechir, Rochepau. Yay, nice, very good.

Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. The wisdom which topas tendrel. The wisdom which is realized dependence.

Yeah, it's interesting he didn't say the wisdom which... Realize the emptiness. Yeah, he does not say the wisdom which realizes emptiness.

He says the wisdom which realizes seeds, right? Sherab Kyi, it tongwas nelu. You see how the thing works?

Yeah, good, the way of things, kangshe tongway. And when you do that, when you're able to see that, you can dokpa marikpa. You can reverse the misunderstanding.

Yeah, good, and change it into understanding. That marikpa is the korway tsawa. That misunderstanding is the roots of the suffering.

Yeah, and then he says, what's the dokje of misunderstanding? And J here you can think of as an English ER. ER like teacher, thinker, mover.

What's a dokker? The reverser? Yeah, the one who stops it, okay?

The one who reverses it. By the way, dok can mean reverse or to stop, okay? What stops it is tenjin jelwar chungwa.

He said dependent. Yeah, and it's not technically correct to say that. What do I mean?

Oh, sure it is, kind of. Well, it's a little tricky. He says here, if you want to stop misunderstanding, you should use dependent origination.

More rightly, it's emptiness.

[Speaker 3]
Well, he means understanding.

[Speaker 1]
The understanding of dependent origination is what stops misunderstanding. Misunderstanding is part of dependent origination, okay? Okay, it's interesting.

Otherwise, it wouldn't be the first link in the wheel. You see, the wheel is dependent origination. So, technically, he's just saying the way the stopper of misunderstanding is not dependence.

It's an understanding of dependence, but he says, that's okay. The stopper is dependence, okay? Who said that?

Je Tsongkapa or Buddha? I think he froze. Yeah, you froze for a second, Gibson.

Who said that the stopper is dependence? Buddha. Who said that?

The victors. The victors, yeah. The victors said that.

Who said... who taught dependence in the first place? Buddha.

No Buddha. And who taught that dependence was the way to stop suffering? Also Buddha.

Okay. Alright. Who's gonna read the next two together, Gibson?

We're out of time, Gibson. Oh, you got saved. Okay, here's the idiom, American idiom.

What is it, you guys? Saved by the bell. Saved by the bell, yeah.

Somebody's morning suffering was stopped by the bell. I think it's boxing, again. Say again?

I think it's from boxing. Oh, that's an interesting idea, yeah. Okay, let's see how much Gibson has to do.

I think the next two sections, okay? Three and four in the commentary, okay? Verse three and verse four.

Okay. Thank you. I'll see you guys soon.

I'll see you guys soon. Yeah. I hope you get a good appointment and good results.

We look forward to seeing you back. No, I mean I'm gonna see Emily and Gibson soon. Physically.

Oh, yeah. Alright, Uncle Nick, any news? Come to online yoga.

Andriana will be teaching a class here in 15 minutes. If you can't make it to that one, you can come to our afternoon class with Jacqueline. Okay.

Alright, I'll see you guys this evening.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Gibson.

[Speaker 1]
Congratulations again on finishing your first book. Thank you. Thank you.

I'll see you guys soon.