Бетси Грир — Книга 2: Интерлюдия о пустоте, занятие 1

[Speaker 2]
Jalapenshir Sangye Drupal Shok, Sangye Chidam Sukhichuknam Vang, Jangchu Bardu Dhakni Khyap Suthi, Dhakhi Chinchokyi Vesanam Vih, Jalapenshir Sangye Drupal Shok, Sangye Chidam Sukhichuknam Vang, Jangchu Bardu Dhakni Khyap Suthi, Dhakhi Chinchokyi Vesanam Vih, Jalapenshir Sangye Drupal Shok.

[Speaker 1]
Yay! Let's see here. I got to share my screen, right?

Yes, please. I'm working on it. Okay.

Are we good?

[Speaker 2]
Yep, there it is.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, did you guys get another... Oh, try to get another couple of inputs for me, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
And Nick can coordinate that. So, you guys could try to find a couple more additions. Adam just used the Tashi Hirmbo edition to input his new text.

Which is by the same author? So, he should be up on that. And it'd be nice if we could get to that as soon as we can.

Otherwise, I'll just have to redo all the pages and stuff. Okay. So, it's not totally clear from this input how many pages it is.

I think it's 163, as far as I can tell. And there's a lot of extra pages on this edition somehow, which doesn't belong to it, I don't think. Venerable Utpala's last text is going to be about 230 pages printed.

We haven't cleaned it up. We haven't done the final cleanup yet. And that's something on my to-do list.

And then Utpala has to edit it, which is another job. You were averaging about four folio slides per class. Let's try for six.

[Speaker 2]
That's an easier text, right?

[Speaker 1]
I think this text is easier, actually. No, I shouldn't say that. It's probably a little bit more difficult.

We're in the easy part now. But your total book is going to be 2,000 pages. I suggest we break it into five books, which is going well with the other books.

So, if you say 3,366 folio slides per book, it would take you about 10 terms to finish. So, maybe nine more terms for your first book. Call it three more years.

Two or three more years. It'd be great to get this outline, if we could get it, if we could find it. So, maybe somebody can...

That would help us divide up the books, if we had this outline, this title here. So, maybe someone could help you find it on the TBRC website. Okay, I think I did find one.

I just have to find it again. Okay. It would help me, if it's a good outline.

All right, here's the title, just to review you guys. This book is... It's been translated by a pretty good scholar who studied it, an American scholar.

But I think the mixed nuts terminology is so much more accessible to people, that I think it should be translated... It's almost as if it hasn't been translated, because the translation that exists is too strange and too difficult. In fact, I think it's already out of print after ten years or something.

So, I think... And it's extremely important text about emptiness. So, kind of Utpala got her feet wet.

She got her introduction to these texts on her last book. And now she's ready to go in... You know, in the swimming pool, you're ready to go in the deep end.

So, she was in the kids pool for three years. Now she's ready to jump into the deep water.

[Speaker 3]
I hope it's not like riding a wild elephant or something.

[Speaker 1]
I have to say this author is probably more appropriate for your guys' level than Gyaltsabje. It's kind of... Putting Nick into Gyaltsabje was like throwing a kid into the Pacific Ocean.

But Kdubje is, I would say, medium level difficulty. And Adam's going to start a text by Kdubje. And at the same time, he's brilliant.

He's easier than Gyaltsabje. And at the same time, he's extremely methodical, careful. He's similar to Choney Lama in that he covers things carefully, clearly.

It's almost like a Western textbook. And it's not like one of these acid trips of Gyaltsabje or almost acid trips of Tsongkhapa, which is what we're going to have with... Whose text?

Oh, Word's text. Word's in a bad place. Nick's in a bad place.

Where is Dr. Kramer going next? We don't know. Maybe...

I think he knows, but I'm not sure. By the way, those of you who enjoy the lion's dance, this is where it came from. And it has an extraordinary presentation of it.

But we won't get to it for a few years. All right, so we're going to skip to... And the title is something like Take a Break and Do an Empty Medicine Meditation.

Something like that. Let's take a break and do an empty medicine meditation. All right, I think this is where we are, right, Utpala?

We stopped on June 1st, I think. Am I correct?

[Speaker 2]
I'm trying to... I'm sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
My files are not...

[Speaker 1]
Search for 6-1. We stopped...

[Speaker 2]
That's what I have. That's where you stopped.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, right. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
All right, let's go, Utpala. Chintung, you sound like you really want to check her pronunciation.

[Speaker 2]
Chintung, you sound like you really want to check her pronunciation.

[Speaker 1]
Nice, nice pronunciation. Nice, nice pronunciation. Now, Ketubje, similar to his teacher Tsongkhapa in Gompa Rabsel, is going to establish the authenticity of Nagarjuna by quoting scriptures, ancient books, which predict that he will come.

It's interesting to compare his presentation here to the presentation by Tsongkhapa in Gompa Rabsel, The Illumination of the True Thought, about this preliminary section. By the way, it seems to be sort of a... What do you call it?

Modem operandi? It seems to be their style to lull the reader into some easy stuff at the beginning, and then they hit you on the head. So, he's doing some pleasant, easy-to-read historical stuff about Nagarjuna, and then he's going to hit you on the head.

I don't know why, they just seem to like the student to feel comfortable, and then they put them on the coals. Ketubje, on the other hand, just puts you on the coals first and never makes you comfortable. Okay, here we go.

DOD DE'I DRIN CHEN PO'I NAS This is a... DOD DE'I means Sutra Pitaka, right? The collection of sutras, which is devoted to which of the three extraordinary trainings?

[Speaker 3]
Concentration.

[Speaker 1]
I think so. But be aware that these authors, these Tibetan authors, sometimes they'll use it to say the sutra, the single sutra. And that's what it means here.

So just be aware, sometimes DOD DE'I doesn't mean the basket of sutras, it just means a sutra. So he says, let's refer to DRIN CHEN PO', the great cloud, this sutra called the great cloud. And it says, SHU NUS DI This young man, which is a LHI TSA'I youth, which we'll talk about later, SNGA SNYEN NGAN NAS DE NAS What kind of youth, Geshe-la?

It's a Sanskrit word, LHI TSA'I. LHI TSA'I It's a noble... It refers to a class or a caste of...

How do you say? Lesser royalty. Noble people, noblemen.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Aristocrats. And oftentimes in sutras, the hero is born as a LHI TSA'I. It means upper middle class or even a wealthy caste.

They're not quite princes like Siddhartha or Shantideva, but they're born as high caste youth. And it's a very common... It seems like a common rebirth for people who are going to do things.

It's like being born in America in this era. SHU NAS DE SNGA SNYEN NAS DE NAS This young man, after I have gone to my own final nirvana, after 400 years have passed, so LUM PA means past. After 400 years have passed, it should be NA, he will cure, he will have become a gelung, a monk, by the name of...

[Speaker 2]
Naga.

[Speaker 1]
Naga, okay. And that's all we ever get. In these predictions, he's called the Naga, the dragon.

[Speaker 2]
Are we going to use Naga or dragon?

[Speaker 1]
I like dragon. I think it's perfect because there's this big connection about Nagas loving to hoard precious things. I think they're the same people.

In fact, for Nagarjuna, the hoarding habit of dragons fits perfectly because one of his biggest achievements in his life was to go to the land of the dragons and recover some Prajnaparamita books. This monk, NA'I RTEN PA RGYAS PAR BYED PAS, first he will spread my teachings widely. THAR GYIS is an idiom.

In fact, we're going to see another translation of this sutra where it doesn't use THAR GYIS. It's down here and it says THAR. RAB TU THAR GYIS means in the end.

After he spreads my teachings, having spread my teachings, past tense CHE, THAR GYIS, in the end, he will... DANG BA'I YOD CHE SBYAR BA'I JIG RTEN GYI GANG ZHUG He will reach his enlightenment in a world by the name of crystal light. DANG BA'I, crystal light.

Now, JIG RTEN GYI GANG is often used in place of SHING GANG, which is Buddha paradise. Even though it's LO KA, and even though LO KA means suffering world, when they're talking about somebody achieving enlightenment, it should always be read as a paradise. The word is world or planet, but when they're talking about Buddhas, you should read it as a Buddha paradise.

DE BZHIN SHES PA'I YESHES BYUNG NAS He will be the Buddha called the light source, L-I-G-H-D, the illuminating source of wisdom. YESHES BYUNG NAS He will become that Buddha. The Buddha called that.

SHES GSUNGS That's the end of the quotation from the sutra called The Great Cloud. I've already done this sutra. I've already done this quotation in illumination.

It might be nice to match the two if you want to, if the Tibetan is the same. I think the only difference is, there are minor differences. What about Naga?

Say again?

[Speaker 2]
What about Naga?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah. Okay. I think when they're talking about his name, I would say Naga.

When you're talking about Naga Ajala. Okay. It's interesting to see that Tsongkhapa and his students are using slightly different translations.

By the time of Tsongkhapa, Bhutan Rinpoche had just made his decision on the final translations to be used, and other translations were still floating around. You can see some differences. You can see differences between the derogated tengyur that we are using.

Interesting. Okay. All right.

I went and got you these quotations, but here we go. There's a footnote. Okay.

It's talking about why you can't find this. Chandrakirti says it was found in this book. K.W.J. is actually quoting Chandrakirti. Okay. Let's keep going. I think...

Let me get some other victims here. Catherine, are you there?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
She's very quiet. She's very quiet.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, Geshe-la.

[Speaker 1]
She's very quiet, but she's very tough. She's the head of the Pure Gold Translators. Let's go.

You're going to check Utpala's pronunciation. Hey, Karen.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, good.

[Speaker 1]
Jampel Tsawe Gyu. It's really the Tsawe Gyu. Jampel Tsawe Gyu means the root tantra of Manjushri.

There's a reference to Nagarjuna. There's a prophecy of Nagarjuna in this book as well. Here it's not called gyu, tantra.

It's called tokpa, which you could say is the account, the foundation, the root text of Manjushri or something like that. But this tokpa means... like tokpa jupa, the account of them.

The spelling is the correct one, although it's strange. The gyuway du means the time when... the point in time when Nagarjuna appears in the world and his name, Naga, Lung, de dang dra means it matches that former quotation.

But it gives more details because it says, it says, she, that he will live, shug, for Lord Tukya. What's that?

[Speaker 2]
He will live for... 700?

[Speaker 1]
Tunduk. Oh, 600. Yeah, 600 years.

So don't confuse this with the number of years after the Buddha's passing. This is a different set of years. He will live for 600 years.

He will die how many years after the Buddha's passing? A thousand. A thousand, yeah.

According to these references. So I went and got you the quotation. Okay?

Thank you. Here it is. There actually is such a quotation.

Here, for example, here. LON NI ZHIG RGYA LON PA NA After 400 years have passed, DGE SLONG NUS ZHIG DE DPOS BYUNG A monk by the name of Naga will be born. DENG PA LA NI DE CING PEN He will have great faith in the teachings and he will help those teachings.

RAB TU RGA BA'I SA THOB PA He will achieve the first bodhisattva level and see emptiness directly. LON NI THUG RGYA BDAG TU TSUL He will survive or live for 600 years. Hey, hey, hey.

Okay. And there's another reference to him in Tsongkhapa. Okay.

By the way, why don't you read this line? BYANG PHAL GYI RTZA BA'I THOB PA LAS KHYANG BYUNG BA'I DUS DANG SEMS DE DANG DRA LA LO RGYA ZHUGS PAR SHES DO Yeah, it seems like... By the way, Khenpoji kind of shamelessly pulls from Tsongkhapa sometimes.

That's his main teacher, right? Tsongkhapa adds the extra note here that the root tantra of Manjushri is a chagyu. What's that, you guys?

[Speaker 3]
Practice text?

[Speaker 1]
Say again?

[Speaker 3]
Practice text?

[Speaker 1]
Come on. It's a lower tantra. Yay, Tim.

Hey, Tim gets 30 bucks. Jigme. Okay.

That's a $30 answer to a $5 question. Okay. Okay.

So chagyu is a... Action. Yeah, that's correct.

Yeah. Kriya. Yeah, the lowest, okay?

So Tsongkhapa mentions that it comes from the first group of tantric texts, okay? Ah, great. That's as far as I checked.

Let's keep going. I didn't expect to teach this this morning, and Seiji was keeping me busy, but I actually did check this before. Here we go.

Who's checking is... Who's checking is... Sorry, let me see.

Tim. All right, let's go.

[Speaker 2]
Yay. Yeah. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, and now Khenpoche is kind of fearlessly going into slightly deviating predictions, and he's going to try to... What do you call... He's going to try to...

What do you call that? Bring them all together? There's a nice scholarly word.

Amalgamate? No, too scholarly. He's going to rectify, justify...

Isolidate? No, he's going to...

[Speaker 2]
He's going to find how they all are saying similar things. Reconcile?

[Speaker 1]
Reconcile, perfect. Thank you, Nick. He's going to reconcile all of them, or he's going to try.

NGA'O BYAS DO is the Sutra of the Great Drum. The Big Drum Sutra. Here's the Litsavi.

Everybody's got a different spelling of it. Everybody's got a different pronunciation of it. I'll show you the...

Maybe a word, you can look it up in Chandra for me. Look at Chandra. I think it's something like this.

Okay. I think so. Litsavi.

But... And Khenruje is consistent in spelling it this way, so he seems to really want to spell it this way. So let's leave it Litsavi.

SHU NUS There will be a Litsavi youth, a nobleman's son. JI RTEN THAMS CAD KYI MTHUNG NA RGA BA And the whole world will... The reaction of the whole world to him will be when they see him, they feel happy.

Everybody in the world will have the reaction... the karma that everyone who sees him will be taken by him. LTON PA DE NAS LO RGYAS CHUG PA LA BRTEN DAM PA'I TSE After the teacher has passed, when 80 years have passed, when 80 years have passed, in this teaching he will be born.

And that's a very weird combination of words. I would go try to find it somewhere else. Yeah, by the way, here's the reference.

And it's much easier to read than the translation that Khenruje is using. So it seems like Khenruje is using an alternate translation. The translation that we have...

Let's see here. It's much clearer. Oh, here it is.

That's interesting. The original sutra in the Dergah edition says, once I have gone into nirvana, my final nirvana, and in the days when the teachings are degenerating, after 80 years have passed, this monk named Keeper of Intelligence will come. So that's what the sutra says in our version of it.

So this translation that Khenruje is using is a little strange. It says when he has been born, teaching 80 years. But the sutra we have, the version we have, says while the teaching is degenerated for 80 years.

So that resolves this strange combination of words here. And if you read 1960s, 1970s translations of Buddhist scriptures into English, you will appreciate the confusion that was going on in Tibet in the 1400s. And the Chinese finished translating theirs in the 600s and 700s, 700 years before.

And that was Shenzang and his students. So SDONG PA'I TSEN BYANG BA'I He will have the name, he will hold the name, BYANG BA, of emptiness. He will keep the name of emptiness.

Not clear what that means. DGE SLONG DU RGYUR NAS It could mean the reputation of teaching emptiness, but it seems to say emptiness will be part of his name. But the sutra as we see it now has nothing to do with emptiness.

It just says he will be the monk who holds intelligence. All right, so good luck on that. DGE SLONG DU RGYUR NAS He will be...

BSTAN PA RGYAS PAR BYED PA'I He will spread the teachings. LO RGYAL LUNG PA'I OG TU DE NAS And he will pass after 100 years. And he will be born into Sukhavati paradise.

Okay, SONG, that's the prediction. Word, is this spelling right for Lodzabi?

[Speaker 3]
Lokesh Chandra treats it the same. And in TZIG, they just treat it with like a B apostrophe I.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, but is this the correct spelling according to Chandra? Is it a long I?

[Speaker 3]
It is a short I, Geshe-la.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, okay. So anyway, līchāvī, līchāvī, okay. I spent some time on it, Word, and the best I could come up with is like a spoiled upper-class youth, you know.

Okay, there's a big bunch of līchāvī shūnus, I think, in the Medicine Buddha text. Okay, hanging out. Okay, oh sorry, Vimalakīrti is one of those guys.

All right, so here's the, you know, this is a fodder for a footnote. Okay, Uddhvala, let's see if we can pick it up. Do we translate it in a way that doesn't make sense and then use a footnote about the dare game?

By the way, he might attempt to, yeah, he makes some statements about it, but he doesn't say that he doesn't agree with the translation. Let me see if I can find... I would start, why don't we read it, okay, and then you can make a responsible footnote, okay?

So I'm going to start here, start this citation here. All right, would you like to read it, please? Sure.

,'JIG RTEN GYI GAM MI BYED NDIR, ,'KHON PO ZHAG YA THUB PA ZHIG BYA BA BYUNG BA, ,DE TSE RGYAL PO CHEN PO, ,GYUR LI RTZA BA'I SHUN RUNG, ,JIG RTEN DANG ZHIG GYIS MTHONG NA, ,DGA BA ZHIG BYA BA YUR TE Stop there, stop there. ,'JIG RTEN GYI GAM MI BYED This is a weird name for our planet. It's called MI BYED, which means don't honor, it means literally don't forget, but what it really means is they do forget, and they don't honor their vows, they don't honor morality.

So that happens to be the nickname for our planet in the ancient scriptures. So when they say the planet, so here it means planet, it doesn't mean Buddha Paradise. So on the planet called, they don't honor.

Dear GOM PA ZHAG YOD THUB PA, there will come a protector named ZHAG YOD MUN NI. BYUNG BA'I TSE He will come. BYA BA ZHIG BYA BA BYUNG BA ZHIG BYA BA, so-called BYUNG BA, he will come.

And at that time, DE TSE RGYAL PO CHEN PO GYUR You, oh great king. So this seems to be a prediction that's made to a king. Oh you, you, oh great king, you will become a LHI CHA MI youth, which is admired by the whole world.

JIG RTEN THAMS CAD KYIS MTHONG NA RGA BA And that will actually be your name, Mr. Super Popular. Mr., what's that? Homecoming King.

Homecoming King? Okay. Homecoming King and Queen.

Yeah, that's just, that's kind of who you're going to be. Let's go to there. Okay, please read.

Isabelle, you want to take a shot at checking her? She's translating. Oh, I'm sorry.

She's too busy. Okay, CHEN TZAM, make her suffer.

[Speaker 2]
JIG RTEN KYIS KHAM DER KUN PO YONG SUM YENG IN LHIN DEY PEY OK TU THAMPAN NUK PEY DU KEE TSE LOB KYE CHU LIM PA NA GAY LONG LO CHANG SHE JAWAR GYUR NEY RANG GI TSOK LANG NI THAWAR CHE TAY DOD NDI JIN PARN GYUR LOB I'm sorry?

[Speaker 1]
No, just the last part. Okay, good. DE NAS JIG RTEN KYIS KHAM DER And then on that planet, KUN PO, when the protector Shakyamuni, YONG SUM YENG IN LHIN DEY PEY OK TU after he has passed into his final nirvana, THAM PAN NUK PAS DU KYE TSE in the days when the teaching has degenerated, LOB KYE CHU LIM PA NA after a period of 80 years have passed, GAY LONG LO CHANG there will come a monk named something like Mathidhara.

So we can check if there's a Sanskrit. There will come a monk called Mathidhara, holder of intelligence. You will become him.

Somebody is talking to a king. We have to find out who the king is. You will become that person, and then without regard even to your own life, even at the risk of your own life, you will grant this sutra's teaching to other people.

You will give this teaching to other people. Without regard, LTA BA, even to your own life. Even at the risk of your own life.

Where did I go? Here we go. Then you have one little more piece.

I would stop the quotation here. Stop the citation. Okay, go.

[Speaker 2]
DE NAS LO RGYA LUS PA'I ROG TU ZHIG RTEN GYI GANG DE BA CHEN DU SKYE BAR NGYUR RO Yeah, and you will live for a hundred years.

[Speaker 1]
After a hundred years have passed, you will die. You will be born into... Now it's a paradise.

Into the paradise called Sukhavati. Sukhavati, okay. Now, so there's an interesting difference between the DER GYI'I RTEN GYUR and the translation that Khenpo Jigme Phuntsok Rinpoche was using.

And it's your job to retain the problems and to comment on them in the footnote. Okay, please read. Nick, are you awake?

Yes, sir. Those SCIM guys, they're going to have a hard day today. I'm sorry about that.

We got confused on the schedule. We didn't give ourselves any time off. Okay, go.

[Speaker 2]
NYID RJOG CHEN PO DANG GNAS RTEN BYANG SANG LA SOGS PA LOD PUN GYI RUNG TEN DU ZHES TE DE YANG ZER U LAS GSUNGS PA'I LI TZAO... How? Wi?

Ji? Wi? Bi?

[Speaker 1]
I don't really know. Li Tza Ji, I guess. Li Tza Ji.

[Speaker 2]
LOD RUG DANG GYUR GCIG TU ZHES PA LA BSTAN PA'O Good job.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Now, Lord Atisha, RJOG CHEN PO, the Great Atisha, the Great Lord, and the Elder, GNAS RTEN, BYANG SANG, which is short for BYANG CHUB BSAM PO. And I thought, Utpala, you'd enjoy...

go find some information about him. He must be contemporary with Atisha, maybe. But I believe he's a senior monk from India.

One of the elders, BYANG CHUB BSAM PO. Bodhi Bhadra, probably. Bodhi Bhadra.

And other such people. They took LOD PUN GYI RUNG TEN DU ZHES TE. RUNG TEN means what, you guys?

Prophecy. Good. Yeah, ZHES means they take the position.

ZHES means they take the position. They take the position that these quotations... that this quotation is a prediction of the master, meaning the Garjuna.

DE YANG... And they make this decision, RTEN PA, relying on the explanation found in the SERU, SERU DANG PAS DO, the Golden Light Sutra. They take it...

they make this call based on the fact that in the Golden Light Sutra, Servana Bhadra, SERU DANG PAS DO, that there will be a litsavi, a litsavi youth. That the litsavi youth is RGYUD GCIG with LUD GRUB. What's that mean?

One mind stream.

[Speaker 2]
One in the same with...

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they're the same person. That they're the same person. Or one, I think one stream of lives, right?

All right. So I went and got you this sutra.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, thank you.

[Speaker 1]
I was curious how to find it. In that sutra, he's actually called by the personal name of everyone likes to look at him. So these names tend to get mushed up.

We're going to see that happening in these predictions. So here's the name of the sutra, Golden Light Sutra, as it appears in the kangyur, the dergye kangyur. SERU DANG PAS CHOG TU RNAM PAR RGYAL BA'I DO DE RGYAL PO The King of Sutras.

The Holy Golden Light Sutra Exalted Book. CHOG TU RNAM PAR RGYAL Which is the victor of overall. Now...

Who else is standing here? No. Maybe...

Yes. Oh, okay. Now, can somebody explain what's in parentheses here?

Maybe a word can help.

[Speaker 2]
Word? You're not caught up with your screen, I guess. What do you mean in parentheses?

[Speaker 1]
In parentheses right here?

[Speaker 2]
Oh, here.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, this is from the catalog. This is actually where they got the book from. Where they got this...

By the way, the Golden Light Sutra is the most famous book in Mongolia, next to the Diamond Cutter Sutra. This sutra, Golden Light Sutra, is considered the big sutra of all time by all of Mongolia, okay? In ancient times.

But what's this thing here, you guys?

[Speaker 2]
It's title in Mongolian.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, it's Chinese. It's Chinese. Can you guys break it up?

Can you guys figure it out? Oh, shin jin. Heart?

No. Da shin is king, maybe?

[Speaker 2]
Da shin. Da jin. Da shin.

Jin guang.

[Speaker 1]
Is there a guang? Guang means light, right?

[Speaker 2]
Guang means light, probably. Jin means gold.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, okay, okay. Oh, this is king. Jin guang.

Yeah, okay. And then, nyaru, or nyaru chai, nyaru chai. Anyway, you can play with that.

Or it can figure it out.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, or it can do it.

[Speaker 1]
But they have, the Tibetans have translated it from the Chinese, which means they couldn't find the Sanskrit. Okay, and that happens, that happens in the Kangyur sometimes. And then they always alert you that they translated from the Chinese, which kind of implies that they're still looking for the Sanskrit about 700 years ago.

Yeah, I'm just seeing if we should translate this. Yeah, I don't know. It's not very clear here.

This is the only relevant reference I could find. Okay, we can just cut this part out, maybe. Okay, cut.

Use this part. Okay. All right, let's read this part, Utpamla.

And Pangthar can correct you. I'm sorry, I'm just trying to catch up on my text. Oh, there it is.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. Okay, cool.

[Speaker 1]
So in that sutra, this is the best I could find. It's not amazing, but it's okay. CHUNG LDAN BDE'I KYI JIN LAS KYI THU By the power of the, by the power of the mind, by the mystic power of the Buddha's blessing, okay, there was a Lidsavi, and here's probably the correct spelling.

There was a Lidsavi youth. This should be Shunnu, okay? There was a Lidsavi youth in this very audience, okay?

Khordenidu. And his name was SEMS CAN THAMS CAD KYIS MTHONG BAR DGA' BA The one that all living beings love to see. BYA BA ZHIG By the name of that, SDUG PAR RGYUR PA means he was sitting there.

And then he's, because the Buddha inspired him like in the Heart Sutra, the Buddha did a voodoo, and this youth got up and said to the Brockman, Khaldinya, which I think Khaldinya, if I'm not mistaken, it's one of the five tiger cubs mom, I think it's one of the great five students. We have to check. And sometimes it's Khaldinya, and sometimes it's Khaldinya.

He said to Khaldinya, Oh, great Brockman. So that's all. That's the reference.

What did they promise us? They said that Atisha and this other master Bodhibhadra were of the opinion that this other sutra is a prediction of Nagarjuna because it's the same person, the same young Li Chavi that's mentioned in the Golden Light Sutra. And in fact, Khendubje doesn't mention it, but he should have mentioned it, that in the Golden Light Sutra, he is also called the one who everybody likes to see, which would have nailed it down better.

You see what I mean? Okay, so you can point that all out in the...

[Speaker 3]
In the footnote.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, good luck. By the way, it's not going to be this bad when we get out of these prophecies. Prophecies are notoriously stretchy.

All right.

[Speaker 2]
But Geshe-la, you just promised that this was the easy part before we got into the hard part.

[Speaker 1]
This is the easy part. It's difficult historically, but it's easy to read. I see.

Okay. All right, let's keep going. Nick, I don't know when we're supposed to stop, so you have to tell me.

Five minutes. Okay, good. Here we go.

NGA'O PHYED RDO LAS LUGS DON GYIS Say what? DI DON PAR ZHES BYANG PHAL BSDOD KYI KHOR LO'I RGYUD PHYI MA LA SOGS PA LTOS MA GCIG NAS NGES DON DREL BAR LUNG BSTAN PA YIN NO Okay, good. NGA'O PHYED RDO LAS In the Sutra of the Great Drum, this master, and I need a better carving.

I need a better text. I couldn't... It has to be saying ZAD DUM PA'O BAR, which is what?

Seven time life or seven time... Seven life meaning probably a Bodhisattva Arya. In that Sutra, it refers to him as a seven lifer.

This master, meaning Nagarjuna, is referred to as a seven lifer, and moreover, PHAL BSDOD KYI KHOR LO'I RGYUD PHYI MA in the latter of the root tantras of the Kalachakra. PHYI MA means the latter of the two root tantras of the Kalachakra, of the glorious Kalachakra, etc. LTOS MA GCIG NAS From many such sources, it is LUNG BSTAN PA that he will NGES DON DREL BAR for $50.

[Speaker 3]
To perfectly interpretate the figurative and actual meaning of the Buddha's words.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, yeah, you're a terrible person. $50, Jigme, for the... I don't know what he does with all this money.

I don't know. He's probably been in Hawaii or something. I think he helps people with medicines they need, for which I'm kind of many who are grateful.

Yay, I'm glad I'm paying for that. Yeah, NGES DON means... Is it NI LTAR LTA or NI YAR LTA?

NI LTAR LTA or NI YAR LTA? One is NGES DON, one is CHUNG DON. I'll check.

I think it's NI LTAR LTA, but I'm not sure. Meaning, it doesn't actually say, I gave you the money for free. It doesn't actually say the difference between the figurative and literal.

It says what?

[Speaker 3]
The actual or the literal meaning.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, he'll clarify what's literal, meaning emptiness. I dug through the Drama Sutra pretty hard, and I couldn't find... Sometimes these prophecies or claims are a little bit hard to corroborate.

This is the closest I could get. Let me see here. Where did I find it?

I don't remember. Yeah, here's the... Here's the PHRAD PA CHEN PO NAM PAR BSTAN LA SPAS PA'I DGE SLUNG LTAR LUNG BSTAN PA YIN NO He is predicted as being the one, predicted as the monk who will what?

PHRAD PA CHEN PO NAM PAR BSTAN LA BSPAS PA Completely teach the greater way, correctly. Yeah, he will actually set down the greater way. He'll be the innovator of the greater way.

We'll have to work on this. To get that prediction out of here is hard. And that's about all I could find.

That's BDAG CHUNG NAS LUNG. And it talks about... It is a prophetic sutra, but it's not very clear.

What does it say here? DE RNAM DU SDUG BSGYI BAR DU GYUR NAS In those times? Those guys will be there for seven times.

Is it up to seven times? Well, I have to take it as this is what they consider a prophecy, that he will be a seven-time Arya. We should read the whole thing.

What time are we supposed to stop? A minute ago. Yay, I like it.

Let me stop here. Let me give you enough to make a decent footnote. Because right now it's kind of...

We're going to read this. I'm going to cut out the sentences that I think you should use in your footnote. There will be enough sentences to make a footnote, but I'm going to not use anything which is not relevant because it's a very confusing book.

Okay, stop here. 9.25?

[Speaker 2]
It is. Already.

[Speaker 1]
Yay, how time flies when you're having fun. Okay, let's go.

[Speaker 2]
9.25 9.25 So you Asian guys, you get to sleep and wake up to the Dharma, right Nick?

[Speaker 1]
Or they can stay for Vimala's yoga class if they want to do midnight yoga. Oh man.

[Speaker 2]
And we wake up and go to sleep to Dharma, just the opposite.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I hope... Nick and I tried to do our best to accommodate everybody and I hope it worked out okay for most people. I'm sorry if there's some people like Australians that made things difficult.

Nick, who's up in our evening and their morning? At our evening, let me pull up the sheet here. Oh, we got Alison.

Yep, and Adam. Adam. Okay, so we're going to talk about monk's vows with Alison.

Then we're going to... It's going to be a historic few days with Sugeng because he's reaching the end of his beautiful text. And then it's going to be a historic day for Adam because we are starting an incredible book on the seven books of Dharmakirti.

Okay. Do you have copies of it?

[Speaker 2]
Did you give me a copy of that one, Geshe-la?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I can send it to you. I'll send it to you with this one. Great, good.

Thank you, guys. Thank you so much.