Бен Крамер — Книга 2: Драгоценность истинной мысли (Геше Йеше Вангчук о Дхармакирти), занятие 35

[Speaker 1]
Hey, hey, good to see everybody. Welcome back to what is this? I was showing Song Tower.

That's right. Ah, yes.

[Speaker 3]
Mixed nuts.

[Speaker 1]
Diamond cutter classics. Good morning. Good afternoon.

And good evening. Some of you look like it's evening. 49160, it looks dark where you are.

I hope you're not in prison. Is that your number? You hear me?

[Speaker 3]
I missed that. I'm in Germany. Ah, Germany.

Okay. So we still have some sun.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. Very good. Cool.

Cool. I'm in Portugal. We're an hour apart.

Just an hour. Somebody's writing me. Excuse me.

I'm just making sure nobody's having a problem getting into class.

[Speaker 3]
All good. Anyway, I'm excited. We've got Ben's text today.

Should be sufficiently challenging for all of us. So translators, interpreters, please get ready for it.

[Speaker 1]
We'll try to tell Ben to slow down. He's getting better over the years. You there, Ben?

I am. Is it true? Am I getting better?

Well, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't say something if it weren't true.

That's encouraging. You have been more mindful of it. Wow.

Even Natasha thinks so. Natasha would tell me if I wasn't. Yeah.

Definitely trust a foreign language speaker more than you trust someone who's not a native English speaker more than you trust me. I trust Natasha also as a conspicuously earnest person. But yes, I don't think that would be the final decider.

Perfect. Perfect. Okay.

All right. No further ado. Should we homework?

Take it away, boss. Okay. Let's see.

One of these. Let's make sure that I'm not showing answers, which I think I would have been. Here we go.

All right. Something like that. Oh, this is going to be tricky.

Is it different today? Every day is a little different. Even today.

Oh, no. Why? All right.

I have to try a different method here. That was a terrible movie anyway. There we go.

For whatever reason, when I only share the one. Oh, goodness gracious. My sharing settings have changed in some exciting way.

Okay. How am I going to do this? Okay.

Well, let's see. What detour did we find ourselves in at the outset of our author? Sorry.

I have to scroll. I don't know why. If someone knows how I.

I don't know. Yeah. But if I zoom back, then it shows the answers.

Right. So, I don't know why it's never been this way before. Does it make any difference?

Yeah. To this. Which is very silly.

But this is what we've got today. I don't know. So, the point being.

Didn't we detour to the end? We did. Yes.

We detoured. Why did we detour? Yes.

So, to read the whole question. What detour did we find ourselves in at the outset of our author's systematic explanation of the commentary on accurate perception? As Utpala said, we detoured to the end.

Why did we do that? Because. Word for word.

Or world.

[Speaker 3]
Because our author is saying what the contents of the book are. And he said, well, it's going to be from this to that. And that was the end of the book.

And Geshe Michael was like, well, let's talk about that. Because if we can't. If we don't know what that is, we can't translate it.

So, let's go to the end of the book and translate that. So, we can translate what he's saying.

[Speaker 1]
Great. It's great. I think it's worth saying that the ideas in this book are difficult enough that we can't even translate it without the commentary.

It's one of the famously hardest books in history. And so, translating the book, the root text, which is the commentary on accurate perception, without a commentary is hopeless. At least for me.

And so, even to get one little line, one little snippet, without having read the commentary, we just can't translate it. Yeah, it could be a Tsangtsing. Oh, that's nice.

Is that going to come up? It is going to come up. What's a Tsangtsing, Utpala?

Uncontrollable. Like, you can't compare. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, I like it. It's going to come up maybe today.

Let's see. Okay, let's see if I can figure out what my problem is. A way to read this question to us.

We'll be okay. We can handle it. Our author compares the state of Nirvana to the Island of Jewels, all right?

So, first question, traditionally, where is the literal Island of Jewels?

[Speaker 3]
Indonesia. Sri Lanka.

[Speaker 1]
No, I think it's Indonesia. We've been saying it's Sri Lanka, traditionally.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, yeah. No, you're right. It doesn't get you.

Michael says you go there and there's Jewels all over the ground. He does say that. I've never been.

I never have either. So, what is the metaphorical boat which we need to reach the state of Nirvana in this metaphor? Logic?

No. Oh, yes. Utpala.

Logic might get you to the boat. Might be the car to the marina. No relation to our friend, Marina.

Utpala's right. Understanding things aren't coming from their own side. I think he goes as far as to say, yeah, realizing it, which you could say understanding it.

I think that's wonderful. Teachings. Lama.

Yes. Not going to hurt, Tracy. All civilized tools to throw at the problem.

What's the Tibetan for boat here? Word give everyone like a good, you know, 13 seconds. Great.

Great. That's nice. All right.

Cool. Also, I'll stop hobbling you, word. Then the text is incomplete.

I know, Claudia. Here's the problem. You see what happens?

Claudia, we have this problem. But that's okay. We're here now.

What's the Tibetan for the state of mind, which is compared to this vessel on our own journey? What do they say? Pala said, understanding that things don't come from their own side.

How about the Tibetan? No, it's my fault. Thank you for your patience.

Hello, my trooper. My trooper. I gave a hint, which was that he says, realization.

Let me talk. Hey, pretty good. You're hired.

Brilliant. Oh, is this for whatever reason sort of working now? It's fine.

Yeah. Okay. It looks like it could have been this all along.

What tragic sentiment about the future of these teachings on accurate perception does Dharmakirti express in the closing lines of the commentary?

[Speaker 2]
As the river flows into the sea, the author was very worried about his profound teaching will dissolve into the sea with his own body after he died.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful.

Beautiful. Very nice. It sounds like a Jimi Hendrix song to me.

Particularly. Right. Castles made of sand melt into the sea, eventually.

Exactly. What are the Tibetan words for river and sea here used?

[Speaker 3]
Kyogyun and Gatso.

[Speaker 1]
Great. Nice. Ten, you win.

Brilliant. You beat Nick soundly. That's it.

We're replacing him with you. Good. Good job.

[Speaker 3]
Finally.

[Speaker 1]
Good. You had a good run, Nick.

[Speaker 3]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
All right. I think that's it for that. Now I'm going to try to switch here.

Now I'm going to share the text. That make sense? Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Yes, please.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. And I'm going to try to show the correct text while I'm at it. Okay.

Here we go. All right. Can you maximize your window, Ben?

Oh, that's an interesting question. Let's find out. And then, yeah.

And then, or does that do the trick? A little bit more. I think you can go.

You can tell I haven't had coffee. I'm speaking in the wrong English syntax. The Norwegian English.

No, it sounded like Tibetan syntax. I think you're just becoming such a master translator that it's taking over your English. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. So here is what section are we in now?

Speaking of detours to the end, we're doing another detour to the end of the text. Does anyone know why?

[Speaker 2]
Different from translating the last line of the verse we were at?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, different from that. We translated that first line. Then we went back to our original text.

And then our author, who is Yeshe Yeshe Wangchuk, decided to then take us on his own detour to the end of the text. Oh, when he's talking about that the poor dears in the future won't be able to understand the subtleties of the path. And so, right?

So we had to go. So we have three major sections that we're covering in our excursion in detail through the whole text. Those sections are the introductory notes, okay, or some introductory details.

And then the big main section of the book. And then the end of the book. And the end of the book is quite dorked, he says.

So let's just get that out of the way real quick. He decides he's going to do that. For whatever reason, he decides he's going to take number three and put it before number two.

Because we're going to spend the rest of the next 50 years on number two. So he decides he's going to jump ahead just for a brief moment and cover the very last words. We can contemplate why he would do that.

I've never seen that before. Right. So.

Back to this question, 50 years. Right. Right.

So this is what we covered last week. He said something like, there are those with no small amount of intelligence, and yet still they have no realization of the profound. And there are those who make extraordinary efforts, and yet still they have not seen the highest thing.

Living kind will not find such eloquent words again as I myself, says Dharmakirti, has written here. And just as rivers flow into the sea, the sun will set as all this dissolves into my own body. We take to mean in the sense that you'll die, and it will disappear into his own body in that sense.

So here we are. I was to attempt a translation of this. I did, but I can't show it to the boss right now, so maybe we can go through it together.

Maybe for funsies I will read the, I'll be the first Tibetan reader, and then we'll pick on people. I don't know if that makes sense in a team-led class. My name is Namphar J.

K. Tawa Ngembe Sangtingsek. My father is Jesu Sungwe.

My mother is Ripe Lamdunpa. My grandfather is Yonten Yaden. My mother is Nyipom Jipapang.

My brother is Myknamdak Kepay Pabmo Geje Nguyen. Can you say that again?

[Speaker 2]
I think you forgot the low.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Low.

Good. You got it. Maybe, what do you think?

Can I hire Mitch Nutz to help me through? Maybe, Nick, can I start with you? Sure.

I believe that would be saying what's ethical behavior and what's not ethical behavior, maybe? Maybe, yeah, right, the way and ain't the way, something like that.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Namphar J. Making the distinction between what is the way and what isn't the way. Yeah, who does that?

A K, a Kepa. Wise guys. Yeah, yeah, wise guys, right, yeah, a master.

Yes, man. Thank you so much. What's a Tawa Ngemba?

Bad views. Yeah. Yeah, and here's Upala's word, who remembers from the beginning?

In this case, it would be a burning thicket, right, like a forest fire or something. No, well, we are going to burn the thicket. Upala compared it to Tim's hair.

We're going to, a master divides between what to do and what not to do, and thus burning through the... The forest of wrong views. The Tim's hair of wrong ideas, right.

So, Pakpa Nge, Pakpa... Those who have seen Emptiness directly themselves. Only those.

It seems like only those, yeah, right, Nge, just those guys. And those who follow after them. Yeah, well, they...

No, they... Oh, the teacher. Yeah.

Reasoning. They... Je Su Sung.

Understands totally, totally gets. Je Su Sung, I think, is like they got your back, like they take care of you, or like, right, they lead you along, right, like you following along with them. When they take you in their care, then they...

They teach you the untaken path of reasoning. Yeah, they teach you Yangdak Rigpa Lam. Although, what's the stressful thing about this Rigpa here?

Word? No. No S.

Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
This Rigpa doesn't mean logic, it means understanding. Yangdak Rigpa, perfect understanding of the path.

[Speaker 1]
Right, it would be convenient for it to be path of logic, as opposed to path of understanding. Yeah. But it doesn't seem as though that's what he says, so...

Probably means correct path more than... I think so. Maybe, or...

Sometimes I wonder, you know, sometimes I wonder if, if the two do get used interchangeably sometimes, I know they're not supposed to. Geshe Michael said that, he said sometimes... Geshe Michael said sometimes you'll see the Rigpa without the Sa to mean it, even though it's not supposed to.

Right. Shung Luk, Shung Luk Nyingje, what's the Shung Luk?

[Speaker 3]
The main system? Highway? Yeah, the main system.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Nyingje. Day maker.

Yeah, who's the day maker? The sun. Right.

And... Yonten Ge.

[Speaker 3]
The Eight Good Qualities, or Hundred Good Qualities.

[Speaker 1]
No, yeah, yeah, Hundred Good Qualities. Yeah, yeah, you said Ge. Oh, sorry, I did.

I kind of picture, I almost see like the sun, like the sun's rays, like the sun radiating countless beams of light is sort of like radiating good qualities. Aww. They bong longan.

Mm-hmm. Actually, they bong jik, and they bong, sorry, they bong longan, and they bong jikpa. Nice.

Yeah. They get rid of bad news, and they get rid of fear. Overcome.

Yeah. Yeah, these light rays, like the sun emanating from this, this scriptural tradition. So, deta me, or deta me ki, what's me usually?

Admittedly. Admittedly, this view. Yeah, and I think usually we mean, hey, that's true, but in this case, I think it's more like, since that's true.

Yeah, totally. Right? I've been in the case.

The lo mik nam dot. The pure, the sage's pure mind's eye or something. Yeah, the mind's eye, right?

Lo mik, the mind's eye, it's kind of nice, because we have this expression in English also.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
But I think in this case, it means like, you know, they're more like their intelligence. The ke pa padmo. The lotus of the sage's mind's eye opens.

Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, right, it like opens wide. I think there's this idea that like, the lotuses open wide to receive the sunlight or something, right?

They blossom, they bloom, their petals open so that they can get a good tall drink of sun. And just so a master opens their mind, their intellect, their mind's eye wide to drink in all of the many good qualities that come from this tradition, this scriptural tradition on accurate perception. Okay, cool.

Let's... That was so beautiful. I got a little tear in my eye.

It's really beautiful. That's nice. Did you get a tear in your mind's eye?

And my mind's eye. Okay, I'll circle back and give my silly attempt at a translation to the boss later. Oh, how am I going to arrange this?

Let's see. Don't mind that. We're here now.

My theory, I'm sorry, I'm going to back up just a little bit. I'm going to frame the window like this because it is my personal belief that, and we can review this with me. The team can tell me if we agree.

Oh my goodness, how am I going to do this. I know how to do this. phony baloney translation.

[Speaker 3]
Put a page break in there.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, I want to keep this here because it is my belief that those two sections that we did, that the next two paragraphs are going to address them one at a time. So, how about, let's find a reader. Word.

I don't, I hope you don't mind me. I'm sorry. I don't know if I can put you on the spot but I, I would love it if you would be willing to assign your minions reading.

Is that okay that's cool. Would you pick someone for us to read this section down here.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah. Can you go first.

[Speaker 1]
Cool 10 of course.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Wow.

[Speaker 1]
Cool. Very, very impressive word but obviously you, you couldn't be that good of a teacher or you would have taught them to make a mistake at least once so we can correct them. Cool.

Shape a sick day. The verses spoken. The words of these words quoted.

Yeah. And he says, which, at the moment, I'm going to try to take to be the difference between these two verses, he had this long blurb that gets you Michael split up for us, and it seems to work out. All right, so we, we talked about Dharmakirti lamenting that people aren't going to understand his words, and that they, his understanding will melt away into the sea and then we talked about masters who, who help us, and who open their mind's eye wide to receive the sun.

I think these next two paragraphs are going to address those two sentiments. Also groups together so my thinking is when he says don't don't put he means that let's take a look. Let's take a look at the first verse.

The first verse. Let's take a look at this paragraph and see if this seems reasonable that when he says don't put right don't know that he means this section. All right, this is this is my theory, or the whole section.

Okay. Yeah, I think so. Someone on drill.

What's that never heard of it. We're all in trouble. The book this book is commenting on.

Great. This is the book we're studying perception. Nice.

The, the long tumble. Or, yes, let's say the, the long of the period is with a saw. The long of the commentary on accurate perception.

[Speaker 3]
The subtle realizations or the subtle path.

[Speaker 1]
The logic. Yeah, I think so. Right.

I was thinking that yeah like this together. I like it. I think the, you could say the subtleties of the path of logic as we find it in the commentary on accurate perception, I think is not crazy for us without the boss present.

Yeah, yeah. She had a key dual J. She were those guys.

Those are just not like 10.

[Speaker 3]
The students disciplined right later times and later, later parts of the lineage.

[Speaker 1]
Right. These are 10 students. In his, in his, in his friends class.

Later on. Um, and which words again sorry could you highlight.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
It's fun. It's fun. I like it.

Great thing. I think it's wonderful. Yeah, great.

These are the dual jaws to come. The dual jobs in the future the the students in the future. Let's see, oh, they.

Yeah. They will mean new part they, the, the, the talk G shin, or something.

[Speaker 3]
They're not going to be able to realize, like, like this.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, they're not going to get it like this. And the. Yeah, so the, the song bubble.

The writer. Yeah, who's that. In this case he's probably referring to master Dharmakirti.

Yeah, yeah Dharmakirti run me. Himself. The very Dharmakirti.

Yeah, his low. His oceany mind. Right, which is like a gut so yeah right exactly his oceany mind.

Don't translate like that guys. For those of you watching. Well the live translators have to now and it's your.

[Speaker 2]
And you're going really fast then really fast.

[Speaker 1]
Oh no.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. So, Tim. New.

Your. The. I think that.

The 10. What do you think the 10 will. Tim shing new partner.

Yeah, I think. Oh, no. What do you think.

[Speaker 3]
He will that look at the root text wrong the outsource.

[Speaker 1]
That's true. His, his mind. Run the Lula team she knew.

My. Yeah. Well his mind isn't going to.

It's going to Tim into him. But yeah, I'm going to Tim into him what's going to dissolve. Yeah, the temper, the 10, the teachings.

I think so. I think so. Or 10 here means.

I'll show you how it's going to. It's going to dissolve into my. The ocean of my mind.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, I think it means.

[Speaker 1]
I think it means the teachings. I think, I think so. So does this make sense you see why I took.

Don't put to refer to this. Second higher. Yeah.

I guess. I mean, it could. In theory, be a smaller part of it.

But let's look with the next bit.

[Speaker 2]
I'm sorry, thank you. Could you go back. Put that.

Tension new part of your part and together, please. In English.

[Speaker 1]
Right. So. The we think that Dan, the teaching.

Is going to. Tim dissolve. In the sense of setting new, like the sun.

Into the ocean. Which is the, the low. The mind of that.

That very guy. Who is the. The composer.

Of this work. Seems like.

[Speaker 3]
Ben, I can't say that. Look, look at the verse. To ocean.

Just like rivers dissolve into the ocean. My body. Will dissolve and fade.

Away and that's very. In that very, very same fashion. I think this is.

[Speaker 1]
Into the Lou. I think. Could, could be right.

Just like. Into the. Right.

Just like rivers. Into the sea. All of this will dissolve.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
My body. But I will tell you a word. Part of the reason I am particularly sympathetic is in.

I want this. To end at the end to be a verb. So I'm saying down here.

It's the teachings, which are. Dissolving in the sense of setting. Into the ocean.

Which is a mind. But it does bother me a little bit word. With this stand at the end.

Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Let's look at the next part then. It could be both. It could be either.

You're right. Let's look at the next part. Cool.

[Speaker 1]
Well, that and the next. With the verb you're looking for, which means. What kind of what you anyway.

Go ahead. It's soon. It's so.

Oh, down here. Yes, that's true. That's true.

Okay, good here. Let's take this. Amateurish gobbledygook out of the way.

And look together. Word, would you. Requisition another.

Your industrious students. Sure. You wait.

Okay. Where I should be. Okay, here.

Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Soon. So, cool. Yeah, soon.

So this is Paula soon. So, which. He's saying maybe we can apply to both of these paragraphs and that is a nice solution that helps me.

[Speaker 3]
Then isn't it a spelling error in the last line isn't it in J. Yeah. Good.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, hold on.

Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Where.

[Speaker 3]
From. He says, gay, Jay, but I think it's gay and Jay. About in the original verse right there.

[Speaker 1]
About here.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, it's supposed to be without the hour I think because it's a doer as wouldn't work, I could be wrong when isn't with the owl, like, yeah, that mean open all by itself for like divide.

[Speaker 3]
I think I agree with that but then look at guess you want to his, his, his commentary.

[Speaker 1]
Yes, but this is this.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, it's earlier.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I think so. Let's look at it, but my feeling.

[Speaker 3]
Look at the Padma it's talking about the Padma. Yeah, I know.

[Speaker 1]
Look, you're right. Let's talk it through. Let's decide at the end and then we can we can market in here and make a suggestion to the boss.

So, six. Six chain eBay. The second verse says second set of words.

Yeah, right. So, I don't know why he divided these two this way. But I'm going with it.

So far so good. Let's see if it bears out the. The.

Let's say the tension. He done some more. Classical commentary.

Yeah, the profound meaning of this, this beautiful book. A. Let's see the, the dog.

Hey, keep it numb. Masters who realize the profound meaning of this classical commentary. I think so.

Yeah. They. Their intelligence.

Yeah. They do they J. Right.

Is this the verb here the, the, the, the Padmas, which are load drew the Lotus of their intellect blossoms. Yeah, right. Which is open.

I, you know, also relating to dividing. So we've had this metaphor, maybe when we talk about a Lotus blooming and the flowers right open like this. Maybe this idea of tool done tool men dividing between what's the right thing to do and what's not the right thing to do when maybe when the Lotus is closed.

Right. You can't tell the, the pedals apart. But when it opens right you can see clearly the individual pedals like the master opens the mind's eye so that you can clearly distinguish between what to do and what not to do.

Maybe this is the impression that I get here. With their, their numb Chucky shut up. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, more specific than supreme here, I think. Um, I think Namche is maybe like, almost like Viveca right like discriminative. Like specifically the ability to distinguish between things to make fine distinctions, or something.

This right highest, you're right you said highest wisdom, I'm sorry where you were working forward. And I was looking backward right but this highest wisdom which can distinguish between things. The.

It. What. It's able to throw those far away.

To know part right toss out the right dispel maybe right chase away. The.

[Speaker 2]
Take a breath, please.

[Speaker 1]
You're racing. The concepts it's just, it's hard to stay with you. Okay.

They chase away the, the tongue and the bad news. Yeah. All of them, get some, it gets them far away.

Right. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think the ring do is bring do true like throw them away far, far away.

Yeah, great. Yeah. Sounds good to me.

Okay. Let's keep playing with the NJ in a way that's hard to do in English, and maybe is makes more sense in Tibetan and Sanskrit.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, because get it J can mean like spread or like to spread out and so it actually kind of is like, it could be either one. And I thought that was the original verse but then he put that in J there and I was like, Well, yeah, it's right next to.

[Speaker 1]
But he's doing something, he's talking about opening something and dividing something and it's kind of like the same, such a similar word in Sanskrit.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
In English, we don't use it that way. So, Kashi Michael would say to you here Ben, good luck. Yeah, what is he opening here by the way, specifically.

Oh, I mean, he says kajay. Yeah, what's up with that.

[Speaker 3]
Backpack. That means blossom, kajay means blossom.

[Speaker 1]
Kajay.

[Speaker 3]
Kajay.

[Speaker 1]
With or without the, this owl.

[Speaker 3]
With. Must be with.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Okay, cool. So maybe this shouldn't be highlighted right I don't know.

It might be glossy. It's, it's hard to say because he didn't. There is a highlight if it's not exact.

[Speaker 3]
Well, no. Yeah, I guess not. Yeah.

Well, no, I guess the highlights if it's not exact if it means that thing.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, if that word is definitely referring to that particular j in the root text and it might be it's hard to say, because here is it safely one of these or is it maybe safely almost meant to suggest both of these into my mind it almost suggests both of these. At the same time this j in the sense of blossoming or blooming seems to both suggest the blooming of a lotus, and the dividing between the way to do things and the way not to do things. Totally.

So, maybe we'll leave it for the boss to correct me. If I see. Luckily, it's his version that makes it in the end, not mine.

May it always be so.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, okay.

[Speaker 1]
Word, would you pick another friend.

[Speaker 3]
Sure.

[Speaker 1]
I think I can blow up more now that we don't need that stuff above.

[Speaker 3]
Jessica.

[Speaker 1]
Cool. Okay, Jessica. Time.

Cool. Okay. Let's see.

Thank you so much. Very, very impressive. All right, help me out guys.

We're, we're flying on our own here now.

[Speaker 2]
Second chapter.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the second part of the outline above. And we, we talked about it today right the. The three parts were the preliminary stuff.

The main explanation, and the explanation of the end. The here's the, the main stuff, the. Right, the, the ship, the explanation of the nip are good.

Now, that's the, the main event is the second and normally a mixed nut would go and find that section and bring it down here so that we could see, but our author did it for us, which is cool. He must be a mixed nut. Yeah, so that's nice.

The, in the subject of that. So we said this is the, this is what second of that subject of that kind of outline maybe we could say, right, of that three part outline that this part in the middle, which is going to be the main event. Okay, what this is going to be the next 50 years of our life.

Also has a subject also has an outline. And here it is.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, so here we go. Yeah. What do you think your intent of the offering of praise.

Great. Yeah, right. The, the offering them praise.

Yeah, the true intent, the illuminating or something, the clarifying of the meaning of the chitchat, the offering of praise, and then the Sompar Dhammachala, the Dhammachala to Tsomba is, is what?

[Speaker 3]
The pledge to compose the work.

[Speaker 1]
Cool. And then finally, this is a big one, how much of this do I take, let's say this, the, the Shepa. Explanation.

The Shepa. Yeah, Tarchimba. All the way to the end.

Yeah. Of this The main teaching, the main. Yeah.

Classic. Yeah. This is funny, though.

Oh, no, here's where you really need a, here's where you really need a, a, a geisha. And we happen to have his echo here in this world with us in that he kindly left us a little note. So I think what he's saying here is that the second section.

Right. Which is the discussion of the work as a whole is going to be a pod doc. Okay.

A complete explanation of the words that seek this commentary. Right. With the exception.

All right. I would not have understood this without issue Michaels note those three bits. You see, what three bits.

The pledge in the what, what's the third one. The wrap up. Yeah, I think that's right.

Does that make sense. Paul, is that what you're going to say to Well, you said it was the principle scripture, but I don't know. You're going so fast.

I can't really keep up. Sorry. Okay.

I think he's saying that the word commentary in scripture is everything. I mean, it's going to be a commentary to everything except for the pledge to compose the work clarifying the true of 10 of the offering of praise. And yeah, the only other part that he mentioned would be the final matter of the conclusion.

Makes sense. Makes sense. Okay.

All right. I like it. I think so.

So Now we're going to do that. We're going to talk about the book as a whole, but we're not going to include the The opening praise the pledge to compose or those final verses, which we just did, because we just finished our second detour to the end of the book. Let's see.

Now that we are undertaking this word. Do you want to pick a student for us. Or Elita Cool.

[Speaker 2]
Amazing.

[Speaker 1]
So, Delany means what?

[Speaker 3]
On the subject of the second, there's two.

[Speaker 1]
I think, yeah, there's two in that. I'm guessing that that second, it is also the second subject. But I think that second subject, which is cool, our next 50 years, as far as I can tell, our next 50 years has two topics.

So, that's cool. That's a nice way to start dividing the next 50 years. I don't know if it's 25 and 25.

Let's find out what our two topics are for the next 50 years. So, one, let's say, I think something like this. The LAM, the path, that we Gopal, oh, I see, I apologize.

Let's say TARPA first. I think this is more intelligent. Thank you, Tin.

Yeah. The TARPA, yeah, freedom and then, okay, is probably the better way to put it. Freedom and then, as Tin in the chat said, the LAM, okay, to Gopal, to that.

Mm-hmm, the path we traveled there to get to freedom. Yeah, great. We want to NGEPA that.

That's certainly. Yeah. Yeah, what's the TARP to NGEPA that?

[Speaker 3]
We want a method that definitely works to get there.

[Speaker 1]
I think that's true and I think because this is the commentary on accurate perception, my guess is that we want to NGEPA it in the sense of we want to see it. Ascertain it. We want to come to some certainty.

We want a method to come to know that there is such a thing as freedom from pain and a way to get there and a Google map that will bring us to that place. So then maybe that's what we're going to spend the first 25 years on. Probably won't be even, then NGENE.

Having once we're certain. Yeah, once we got that nailed down. This is very beautiful.

[Speaker 3]
Ben, you skipped the Rangi and it's key here. You have to go back. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, thank you. It's wonderful. You're 100% right.

Why? What is it, word?

[Speaker 3]
You first, you have to find them. You have to talk about liberation and finding a method that you, you, you yourself can definitely get there. And then once you've definitely figured that out for yourself.

[Speaker 1]
If I made mistakes on purpose, I would do it there for you to correct me because I think it's such an important point. Um, but instead I'm just, it's just the blessing of the Lama that I screw up when I do. Um, and, uh, so yeah, the first section is going to be discussing how to be sure that there's such a thing as a way to make it clear of pain and, and then that there is a path to get yourself there.

To get Ben there. And then once we get that down, um, Shen, uh, Shen Jason Zimba. Um, others grasp it.

Yeah. All your buddies. Uh, you're gonna Jade suit Zimba them.

I think this is, we had this earlier when we talked about when an Aria, um, takes you in their care. Right.

[Speaker 3]
It takes you in their care. It takes care of them up. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Then you're gonna, once you come to certainty, uh, which I don't know, but to me almost implies, almost implies a realization, right? We're one of the things that we achieve in that state is, is they say certainty.

Uh, and then maybe now you are this Aria someday, and then you take people in your care and you're going to need a top for that method. Yeah. Uh, so those are going to be the new Sue, I believe.

And then we're about out of time here, but the, um, we'll just say quickly, right, the sub shade humble day. That first outline. Yeah.

That first part, right. Which is freedom and how to get yourself there. Right.

Is, um, it seems to be in layu dung bowl and Sumba.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, it's the first three chapters of the book.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. That's not because look at the end of the sentence.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Interesting. It's weirder than that. No, no.

Then he says the second is in the fourth chapter, the first three. Oh, it's not the first in the three. Oh, that's nice.

Good. Definitely. Yeah.

So, and then what's the other section then the, the second part, which is how to take care of people once we have come to know where's that covered then word in the fourth of the chapters. Yeah. So it's almost certainly not going to be an even 25 and 25.

Uh, we're gonna spend the first three coming to some certainty for ourselves. And then, uh, once we are free from doubts, perhaps, uh, we'll figure out how to, we'll spend the fourth chapter figuring out how to help other people get there.

[Speaker 3]
But Ben doesn't actually say no, no one ever really gets to the fourth chapter.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, well, we're just crazy enough to try, you know, who did is Casey. Yes, he wanted to bless his heart. We think so.

We didn't get to that part of the book. It might all be, uh, naughty monk jokes at the end or something. Yeah.

Uh, probably, you know, jokes about poo poo and pee pee like issue. Michael likes to tell, uh, they don't tell, they don't tell sexy jokes because they're, they're good chest folk. Um, so they, uh, they have no naughty jokes to resort to.

Except the other times. So I hope that someone can use that for a life tool. Uh, as we come to this, thank you.

Medium. Nice. I don't know if nice is the right word for that.

So, but we, um, I need help. Some of this was just outline stuff, but I don't think that it's so difficult. I'm supposed to lead the discussion on how to use this.

We don't need my screen for that. Uh, which in theory shouldn't mean that I am the discussion, uh, disgusting that I may be. Uh, does anyone have any thoughts on something that we learned today that may be useful?

I mean, just really, I'll just start. Oh, wait, Tracy has her hand up. I'd love to hear.

No, no. I was just starting because I didn't be saying anything. So I just flapping my lips to fill the airspace.

Way more interesting. If you talk, then if Nick talks, I can talk to Nick anytime. Yeah.

Everybody's talking. Do you think, well, two things really stuck out for me. One was ninja.

The sun. Yeah. And the next phrase was pod mole.

Uh, uh, he, yeah, Jay. Yeah. Jay.

So for me, like when we're meditating and our mind's eye, like things that can kind of happen, but when we go out into the world, I like to think about going out into nature and using our mind's eye to see what comes from the sunbeam rays in hopes that it'll open up another part of our intellect and our logic. And if we can, you know, Geshe-la talks about this, the whispers in the trees and the sounds will, why not allow the beams of the light to be the whispers from Buddha, and then if we can put it into a practice of going out into the world and allowing that Lotus to open in hopes that that's a whisper from the Buddha, and then you open your eyes and you see who's there and you just put it into a practice of just seeing what kind of magic can happen. That's wonderful. That's wonderful.

Tracy, I guess, I guess you're Canadian, huh? I am. Did I say a, no, it was, it was something I can't say Geshe-la always over enunciates, he says a boot.

I know that's not correct, but you're about, about anyway, beautiful sentiment. And I think this, um, yeah, I like this idea of moving through the forest with your mind open wide. I think it's cool because the forest can be scary also, right?

Like you could get lost in the forest. Um, in this thick, dense covering of trees, we're about to wade deep into a thick forest of ideas and it could be quite intimidating. And if we don't walk in there with our mind's eye wide open, uh, letting the rays of sun fall through, um, we could feel lost and overwhelmed and maybe we will anyway, sometimes, and it's okay.

And then every now and then we'll remember that Tracy told us that we need a, a walk through the, the brightly lit sunny day forest with our minds open. Yeah. And never forgetting that it can zoom out and in like, and then play with the illusion and that, and just see what happens.

Hopefully. You're right. Might, might even be a good reminder.

If you're feeling stuck at your desk for a while to get up and take a walk for Pete's sake, um, and get out into the actual, yeah, right. Especially the mixed up. Am I looking a little pasty?

Like the river is going back to the ocean. You need to go out in nature. Yeah.

Get a little sun on your face, nerds. Good. I don't know why, but maybe because bloom can be used in different ways, but like I had this idea of when there's a realization that then blooms and like takes over, like colors your entire mind.

So then every thought or emotion after that is colored by or affected by that realization. That's beautiful. Yeah.

I, I hope so. And, and if your mind's eye is open wide that you can drink in that effect. I like that a lot.

I hope that I can do so. Um, don't, don't give up on me, folks. Nick, I'll give you a good few breaths to think about what you're going to say before he helps me with whatever he was going to say originally.

[Speaker 3]
Oh, it's totally gone.

[Speaker 1]
I'm like, uh, yeah, it was so open. He wasn't holding on past ideas. It's so open to things.

Just fall out the other way. That's the problem. Oh, that's no reason to pin him.

It doesn't deserve a pinning. You sounded very Canadian there though, Ben. You did a good job picking up some of that.

You said lost in the forest. I can't even do it. Lost in the forest.

No, it's not.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah, there you go.

[Speaker 1]
Um, anyone else have some thoughts? I know this was a, it was a difficult class. Um, what else did he talk about?

We had this idea of learning something first before you're, before you can really help people come into some certainty yourself now, I think there's a, we could get stuck in a, what do we say? A dichotomy or a false dichotomy where we think I can't help anybody unless I master a thing myself. But sometimes I think it's very helpful to come to a friend and say, I don't know the answer, can you help me understand?

And, and then you can help each other understand together. So I, on one level, I, I do hope we make it the, I didn't go to math school, but the first three chapters, 50 years divided by four or something. I hope we make it that long to reach certainty and then take other people into our care.

But in the meantime, studying together. Yeah. Thank you.

37.5 years. Uh, uh, I don't want to wait that long to help people, but I, I have to do so humbly, I don't have NEPA yet, right? I don't have certainty yet.

I have at least 37.5 years left before I achieve certainty if I'm lucky. And, uh, and yet in the meantime, we can come together and support one another in our study, take one another into our care, uh, co-taking into our care of one another where we humbly come together and say, I, I didn't get NEPA yet. I'm still not sure about these ideas.

Uh, like we got to do here. It's, it's, it's beautiful with friends. If we have a teacher, it's the best.

And sometimes your teacher is going to want you to figure out how to work while they're somewhere else, while they're on a plane or on vacation for a moment. Uh, sometimes they take days of vacation. Sometimes they take years of vacation.

You have each other. We have each other in the meantime, uh, to take into our care so that we can work to come to certainty together. I hope I was given more certainty today, uh, from my friends, certainly.

Sorry that you said certainly at the end there was just kind of cute. Uh, I am certain that I love my friends and my friends love me. That's, that's a nice thing.

I don't have certainty of much in life, but I have friends and I'm very fortunate to have them. Anyone else have any ideas? You're running out of time.

If you're feeling shy, you've got to push through it. This is your moment. Oh, I would say something, but I'm not sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Paula says the best thing.

Yeah. Friends on the path. I agree.

I, I'm not, I'm not sure of, of much, you know, this idea of these three jewels, the, uh, being who is totally achieved all the goals, this, this state of TARPA, which hopefully we're going to come to some understanding of through the course of this book. We're going to learn to see this hidden thing, TARPA, freedom itself. And then the path that gets you there.

Path probably means the realization, right? Path also means realization. The thing that gets you there, um, is that realization.

Um, I don't know about that and, and who are those beings? I don't know, but, but community. I know I've been very blessed, uh, to be surrounded by, um, by people who are into these ideas.

And so I would say, keep, keep them close. You know, let's keep each other close. Uh, as long as we can, uh, this, this much, I can see.

Uh, I can see your, your beautiful faces directly. Does a computer screen count as directly? I'm not sure.

This is a new discussion. Oh yeah. I wonder if you'll cover that in chapter four.

It'd be an interesting, uh, yeah. We should ask our friends who are at Sarah now to try to get, you know, the take of Yaurang House. Right.

There's a group studying there now. It's wonderful. We've got two minutes.

Chloe.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. I have a question more than a comment. Is that okay?

[Speaker 1]
We'll find out if you set your expectations low, it's fine. What is this book talking about in terms of the school and the idea and the next 40 years we're learning? Well, um, I think it's a nice summary in one minute before I hand it over, um, to Daniel, who's mercifully standing by.

Um, we're going to talk about how to come to know if there is such a thing as, as getting free from pain and then, um, and then we're going to talk about knowing how to get there in the school. It's start trying to what they call like higher in a Yano or something. Um, they are sometimes called the logic school.

They're smart folks, right? So when we study the schools and we learn that our four schools and they are in progressive order, I'd be lucky if I were down here, uh, I'd be very fortunate if I had this level of sophistication. So, um, two is probably a good challenge for me.

Now we all study up here. We all study for, we all study the highest idea and it's good training for us. Um, but there's a tradition, uh, by which you, you get to the highest ideas by studying the ladder to get there.

If only there were a book in English, um, that you could use to, to walk up the ladder, uh, to the highest ideas. Um, that was released in the past week from diamond cutter press on ebook. Is that true?

Um, no one can put that in the chat, can they, I don't know if I'm fast enough to, to find it. Do you find the link link? Nickelback and, uh, so the book is called, uh, great ideas of the East.

And it is a discussion of this, uh, this ladder, right? So in answer to your question, Chloe, it's here. It's the second rung on the ladder.

But, uh, if you've got to get, you can say, oh, I don't need a second, right? It sounds crazy. If you say, oh, that's the second school ideas.

They're not very smart. Right. Maybe that could make sense to someone.

But if you say to someone, I don't need a second step on my ladder, it doesn't make so much sense anymore, does it? Right. So, uh, it's a nice, uh, book on how to find the ladder to, to in this case, this book is going to be, uh, a perspective from this step on the ladder of how to come to know, is it possible to get rid of all pain, right?

If it's possible, how do I get there myself? And then once I know that it's possible and I know I can get there myself, how do I get all my friends there with me? Thank you, Daniel.

Excellent.

[Speaker 3]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Thank you. Uh, I just put a link in the chat. So if you scroll back a couple of chats, you can find a link to that ebook.

Great ideas of the East. If you're interested, we should all read it in great painstaking detail too. There's a lot of amazing things in there.

If you haven't been exposed to that book yet, I, I really do recommend it. Thank you so much, Ben, for leading us to this awesome, uh, class. And this, this book is super fun and exciting, uh, which is the first time anyone's ever said that about a logic text, but it is so far, it's just been awesome.

Uh, everybody, just a quick reminder, subscribe to the good night podcast. Book club. If you can, uh, these subscriptions get you fun interaction with our books and with Geshe Michael and help to keep the mixed nuts rolling.

So don't be shy to subscribe to the good night book club. Um, and we're a little behind, so you can take it away. Daniel Garcia.

Yay. Thank you guys. So as, uh, no, go ahead.

After Daniel word's going to teach right word. So you can just pass it over to word when you're done. Yes.

Thank you. Sorry. Awesome.

No problem. So as Nick was saying about the good night book club, uh, we are actually going to have Geshe Michael, uh, joining us again for the translation classes on Monday, as far as I understand. And Juan will have him hopefully for the peach tree segment afterwards so that he can put his own, uh, you know, special touch on the advertising for that and give some more information.

I think so far, uh, we've showed a video of Geshe-la in Kyoto talking about it. Uh, but we will have him back live for the, his own, you know, stick on the book club. So looking forward to that.

And, um, so for today's segments, uh, we have with us, I believe Masha and maybe Peter, uh, or maybe just Masha. So are you available? Yay.

Hi Maria. How are you?

[Speaker 2]
Hi. Hi Daniel. I'm good.

Thank you. We came back from Kyoto and trying to get over jet lag.

[Speaker 1]
Nice. So you're back home now.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, we are back home to Vienna.

[Speaker 1]
Wonderful.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry, Peter is not here. He's not feeling well. He just got some vaccinations.

So he's resting.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. No problem. Well, you always do a great job of, uh, representing both of you guys.

So nice to have you. And, uh, so tell us a little bit, how, how was your trip? I mean, you're, you're here to give us another sneak peek behind the Kyoto event.

So how was your experience?

[Speaker 2]
It was wow. You know, I did not see Geshe Michael, uh, for about a year and I nearly forgot how it is to be close to Geshe Michael, to be around him. Uh, it's very intense and in Kyoto, there were, uh, so many amazing people from all over the world and to meet with all these people and, um, to meet with Geshe Michael again, for me was very, very special and there was three program parallel going on and we were trying to catch each one and it was just amazing, I'm really, uh, amazed how Geshe Michael can do so many things, so many things at the same time. That's incredible.

Tomorrow is his birthday, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yes. The 17th of December. Uh, I hear he is traveling now and, uh, tomorrow should be back in his hometown of the capital of the world in Rimuruk.

Um, and just, I mean, most people know, uh, who you are, but I just want to say in case somebody is watching, this is Maria and her and her husband, Peter are, have been running the Gold Club for many years, which is helping to sponsor ALL, uh, which is the organization responsible for finding all the translations that the Mixed Nuts translators are translating. Um, so we, we want to show, uh, I mean, Maria was in Kyoto and, uh, she did a lot of cool filming for us and she's responsible for the little video segments that we've been showing you. And, uh, Juan is on standby, ready to show another one of your cool segments, uh, that you edited for us.

Thank you. And, uh, and then we'll talk a little bit about it. It has to do with those three events that you mentioned.

I saw this earlier. That is an amazing cup of tea right there.

[Speaker 2]
It was amazing. It was a whole tea ceremony.

[Speaker 1]
That's the presentation. You didn't even want to drink it. Like, wow.

[Speaker 2]
That's actually not Geshe Michael's birthday celebration.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, really? I guess we're wrong. Was this for the 30th anniversary?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, it is the 30th anniversary of Geshe Michael teaching their deep, ancient wisdom.

[Speaker 1]
One of the three events that was going down. Oh, that's so cool. That's so cool.

Oh, look at this. I don't know how he does it, but he blows out all these candles. It's like a miracle.

[Speaker 2]
Look at it.

[Speaker 1]
That's magic right there.

[Speaker 2]
That's my Mimitsnath class.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, nice.

[Speaker 2]
That's cool.

[Speaker 1]
That's how it looks at the college every Monday. It's nice to see a whole group of different people.

[Speaker 3]
Follow Cha. So they call it Cha. The second Cha has to change to Cha.

And that's why it's so moving. Cha, and that's why it's about Cha, our TZTF. That's correct.

[Speaker 1]
Let's count down. Three, two, one.

[Speaker 3]
The family house is presenting some magazine that they've been I think it's called The House of the Diamond. More information about this.

[Speaker 1]
They're going to be producing some kind of magazine. I don't know how often they'll be producing it, but it's cool. I haven't really read it.

And here they are filming for a documentary that they're going to be releasing about Geshe Michael's life story scene. So maybe you can talk a little bit about that after the video. Whatever you know.

What's going on there, Marsha? You're going to have to tell us about that shot. Oh, that's karaoke night, isn't it?

[Speaker 2]
It's karaoke.

[Speaker 1]
That's right. That looks like fun.

[Speaker 2]
It was a lot of fun.

[Speaker 1]
That was part of the SCIM alum, right?

[Speaker 2]
Yes. I mean, Daniel, you cannot imagine. Every day there was so many things happening.

It was crazy. No one minute free.

[Speaker 3]
That's awesome.

[Speaker 2]
We were actually, me and Peter, we were moderating the karaoke night.

[Speaker 3]
Really?

[Speaker 1]
How fun is that? So can you tell us- That was amazing. I heard your name being mentioned during part of that documentary interview.

Was that your student who was interviewing Geshe-la?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that was so cool. So, you know, Geshe Michael is- It's a Netflix team, which is doing a documentary about Geshe Michael. And the team came to Kyoto, and they were shooting during the classes.

And then they announced that they are still looking for people who they want to film for the documentary. And it should be a relatively new person who maybe have some doubts in the system. But they want to try to reach some kind of goal.

And they're going to film how they are doing what Geshe Michael tells them to do and see if they reach that goal. Cool. Yeah.

And one Ukrainian girl, she's a big Ukrainian blogger. She came to this event, and it was the first time she saw Geshe Michael. And it was her birthday also.

And she said, I would like to be in that documentary. And it was amazing because she applied, and they accepted, and they had an interview. And she was so nervous at the first interview.

I mean, imagine there is all Netflix crew is like filming you and Geshe Michael in front of you asking you questions. So, she couldn't even explain.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, no pressure. Just come up with a miracle in two weeks so we can film it.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, I know. But she was so nervous. She couldn't even explain her life story well.

Then I said, well, look, we need to do it one more time with translations so you are less nervous. And then we told them, look, you need to do a second interview so she can tell her story better. And they did a second.

They invited her to the second interview. And now we are waiting for the results. I hope she can get into that documentary then.

Because there is already one person from Peru. Who is going to be in that movie. And I hope there will be one more Ukrainian woman.

Who has a beautiful life story and beautiful goal.

[Speaker 1]
That's awesome. And you guys, I'm sure, are helping to teach her the SEED system. So, how cool is that?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
That's awesome. We'll get to see one of your success stories flourish on the documentary. That would be so cool.

Well, Masha, do you have anything that you would like to say? We gave it to us a few minutes late. So, if we go over a few minutes, I think it's okay.

Word is pretty cool about it. Anything that you want to add or talk about? I'm also just curious.

When are we going to see you and Peter in Sedona?

[Speaker 2]
We are going to meet very soon. We are coming on the 6th of January. And are going to be staying whole January in Sedona.

So, we hope to see you very soon. And I think because tomorrow is Geshe Michael's birthday. I think it's nice if all of us think about good qualities of our teacher.

Why he's amazing and rejoicing these qualities. And I think that is a very good gift for Geshe Michael. And also, maybe we can think about our own practice.

Good things we are doing. And offer it to Geshe Michael. In our meditation or just in our mind.

And I am today rejoicing in Geshe Michael's ability to do so many projects at the same time. And to help so many people. Because what I was watching in Kyoto is...

Like, I know Geshe Michael for 11 years. I know he does a lot. But this is a new level.

Really what he does. And how many people are helping him to spread this wisdom. Is just incredible.

I am really rejoicing in this quality.

[Speaker 1]
Amazing. That's great advice. So, for anybody who wants to stay close.

It's a good seed to plant. To be grateful. And maybe make a little offering of something beautiful in your world.

Tomorrow, if you see a beautiful sunset. Or something beautiful. A flower on the street.

Or if you see someone doing a kindness. Then you can quietly offer it to your ability to continue seeing these things. And teachers like Geshe Michael in the world.

So, tomorrow is his birthday. So, it's a nice day to remember his kindness and be grateful. And it's good to know that you're going to be in town for a month.

So, that way we can have you guys on the one hour Peachtree show. Hopefully for January. Yeah, that would be great.

[Speaker 2]
And I wish everyone to be able to get closer to Geshe Michael. To come to one of his events. Please do anything you can to get closer to Geshe Michael.

There are really special things happening when you are around him. Close to him physically.

[Speaker 1]
And not only that. But find one of his close students that you like. And then stay close to them too.

Because that's how the lineage gets passed on. So, thank you so much Masha. We really love having you on the show.

And we're going to go ahead and wrap the segment. And send it over to word. But thank you again for the cool videos you've been making.

And we'll see you soon. Thank you.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you Daniel. Thank you everyone. Good luck translators.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, thanks guys. All right, word over to you.

[Speaker 3]
Thanks Daniel. Here we go. All right.

We are continuing the Diamond Cutter. Which we will be finished right about New Year's. And.