Адам Андраде — Книга 2: Логика. Рассеивая тьму, занятие 39

[Speaker 1]
You miss your daughter. Is Nick there? Is Adam there?

[Speaker 2]
If Nick's not here, he'll be here in a minute. We had a technical issue that has been resolved and I apologize to those who are just now joining. We had an issue with the meeting where only a limited number of people were allowed to join, and I believe everyone who was stuck outside is joining now.

I apologize for the delay.

[Speaker 1]
Sorry about that, Keshava, and all of our fans and team. Everything is resolved now. Hi again.

Yay, we're just having coffee, Nick. Looking sharp, you guys. How do I see?

Oh, weird. Gallery view? Gallery view, okay.

I'll spotlight myself, I think. Yeah, that'd be nice. Hey.

Yeah, better. Just made it, sorry. I thought...

Muito bem, muito bem aqui. Getting settled. That picture is really nice.

Yeah, it was made with... You call pointillism. It's made with incense stick.

They burn each line with the incense. It's all dots, tiny little dots. That's Shenzong's Tower.

Somebody gave it to me in China. Very beautiful. Somebody made it.

One of our students made it. Wow, super cool. That's the traditional Shenzong Tower.

Well, good. Okay, Nick, did you find Adam yet? Do you have any announcements?

Let me text the man to make sure... Oh, he's here. Okay, good.

I don't have any announcements.

[Speaker 2]
Sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, real quick. I don't have any big announcements. Just have a great class, and if anything comes to me, I'll let you know at the end.

But one quick reminder to all of our participants, please remember to pay attention to anything that you find that could be interesting to discuss as far as practical applications in our life, and feel free to put it in the chat, and Adam and the rest of us will keep an eye on the chat to discuss after class. Yeah, sorry. In one hour.

[Speaker 2]
Guys, yeah, I was having a hard time.

[Speaker 1]
Sorry about that.

[Speaker 2]
So is it homework time?

[Speaker 1]
Homework time. Yes, it is. I'm going to go look for the text that you sent.

[Speaker 2]
Right. Yeah, so last class, we were just going over an outline of the text so far. So we didn't cover any new material, so this should be a pretty straightforward class.

No curveballs or anything, which were invented at Princeton. Curveball, that is. So number one, give the full title of our text.

Should I make it a little bigger?

[Speaker 1]
I didn't see your face.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, you don't want to see my face again.

[Speaker 1]
I'm going to put the spotlight on him. Oh, he's already spotlighted. You must.

[Speaker 2]
So what's the full title of our text in both English and Tibetan?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, it's a day doing you came in.

[Speaker 2]
So, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Dispelling the darkness of the seven books on accurate perception.

[Speaker 2]
An ornament. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
An ornament to. Okay. Oh, yeah.

Let me get this down. All right.

[Speaker 2]
All right. So we got question number two. We got a hand.

Do you have a question? All right. So what's the primary focus of our text?

And why is it important to our spiritual development?

[Speaker 1]
Clear thinking.

[Speaker 2]
There's probably many different correct answers. Yeah. Sorry.

I think I was.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. I'll just because it was quiet. Clear thinking is the primary focus.

And that's important because without it, we're not going to be able to understand concepts which are hidden to our direct perception and only available to our deductive perception like emptiness.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, totally. That's totally one that I didn't put down and completely correct. Also, you know what?

So when we say, say, my data. Right. Instead of clear thinking, say, my collection of seven perception.

Yeah. Collection of seven books on accurate perception. Yeah, totally.

So that's kind of more specifically what I was looking for in the. At first, so generally, our text deal with the topic of accurate perception, but more specifically, they examine how we perceive and misperceive our own thoughts in the world around us. Learning how to distinguish between accurate perception and accurate perceptions is the utmost of the utmost importance for our spiritual development because our misperceptions further entrench us in suffering and lead us away from our goal of reaching the ultimate enlightenment.

Accurate perception is essential in attaining these realizations because they propel us closer and closer to becoming fully enlightened Buddha. Yeah. Main subject of our text is broadly divided into three sections.

Please name these sections and give the corresponding Tibetan phrase for each.

[Speaker 1]
Is it Shanlu Gakpa, Ranglu Shakpa, and Tsepa Pongwa?

[Speaker 2]
Well, those three sections are within each independent section of the three. So, yeah. So each.

Yeah, not necessarily the pedagogical process of delivering the teachings, but Ranglu, Gakpa, and Tsepa Pongwa are components of each section.

[Speaker 1]
Is it the introduction, main subject, and the ending?

[Speaker 2]
No, that's why I put this clarification here. The main subject matter. I see.

Okay. The jija, I believe it's, right?

[Speaker 1]
Isn't jija the main subject matter? Subject matter. Nushi?

Sorry. Is it the definitions, the divisions, and examining whether they're contradictory or not?

[Speaker 2]
Well, that's, yeah. I tend to just say that you're correct in every instance, Ken. But I was looking for something a little different.

A presentation of the objects of the mind. Shijia Yuga Namshak. A presentation of the states of mind.

Shijia Loin Namshak. And a presentation of how the mind engages the objects of the mind. Maybe I got it wrong, but from the outline that we were going over last class, that's kind of what I took from it.

Is that clear enough for everybody?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's cool.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
Nice.

[Speaker 2]
We're back on you, Ken.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. Can you guys see me now? Yeah.

Adam, can you see my text?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 1]
I need to share.

[Speaker 2]
Actually, that was my text that I'm seeing.

[Speaker 1]
Can you see me now? Yeah. Can everybody see me now?

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
Alright, so we are continuing with this outline. And I would still like to do a little more of the outline. So you know where...

because I got lost. In my own mind, I got lost. I didn't feel like I knew where we were.

And he kept bringing up more and more exotic debates. And I was like, I don't know why you're doing that. Okay, so just for my own sake, I wanted some structure.

And I wanted to see what's going on, you know. So, Adam, can you read this first line?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, sir. My pleasure. Here we go.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, it's very nice having you and your Halloween girls up down here.

[Speaker 2]
It was very, yeah, it was very, very nice.

[Speaker 1]
We want you to come back.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, that's not a problem.

[Speaker 1]
We agree with Ava that you should drive... You should drive 24 hours to have Halloween with us. Okay, I like your haircut, too.

Dani.

[Speaker 2]
Dani, Sheldra, Rangshen, Dangchitsin, Niki, Nampar, Shakpa, Shepar, John.

[Speaker 1]
Good. What's Dani mean? Dani.

[Speaker 2]
Now?

[Speaker 1]
It's very colloquial. Now, let's... Hey, now.

Hey, now. Okay. Sheldra.

Let's divide all Sheldras. What's that, Adam?

[Speaker 2]
Objects that we can comprehend. Objects of comprehension.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Let's divide all the objects in the universe into rangshens and chitsens.

[Speaker 2]
Actual objects and archetypes.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, meaning the actual coffee cups in the world, and then the idea of coffee cup in the world. People say, what is Pramana about? Why are you studying Pramana-vartika?

What is the second school? Why are they so hung up on logic? And it's so boring to study logic.

How can we study this for seven, eight years? It's not the logic part. It's the rangshen and the chitsen part.

It's like the universe is filled with two different kinds of things. Rangshens, which is the actual stuff, the cup that you drink your coffee out of, and then chitsen, which is the concept of a cup. And so the whole second school of Buddhism is obsessed with the question of, what's the difference between a real cup and a cup that you see when you close your eyes?

And obviously that becomes very important when you reach middle way. In a way, in the middle way school, the cup you see when you close your eyes is the cup you're drinking out of. So it's a tremendous question.

They're not interested in the study of direct and indirect perception. They're not really interested in pramana. They're not so interested in studying how you see things directly and how you see things logically.

That's not what they're obsessed with. They're obsessed with what are real things in the world and what are ideas of things in the world and how do those interact. So Geshe-la, why are they called pramana school?

Why are they called perception school? Why did everybody call them the accurate perception school, right, pramana? Why is everybody calling them that if what they're really interested in is the question of, what's the difference between the cup in your hand and the cup in your mind?

If that's what they're really interested in, why are they so hung up on these two kinds of perception? I'll give $100 to accept the atom and accept a word. No.

I'll say the question again. They're called the pramana school, right? They're called the accurate perception school and their main book is Pramana Vartika, what do you call it, Commentary on Accurate Perception, right?

So why keep referring to them as the perception school if their real interest, according to Adam's outline today, by the way, we're in the guts of the outline now, we're in the most important part, we want to explore the difference between real cups and mental cups. So why did they get to be called pramana school? $100 question.

Ah, you got to raise your hand. I got a hand here, Adam. Tim, help.

And I'm not even going to answer it. Olga has her hand up. It better be good.

Don't embarrass Rembrandt. Here's my question again. Ah, they should have been called the two object school.

They should have been called the real thing and the mental things, right? Instead, they were called the two perception school. Somebody tell me why.

The perception school. Maybe because they define existing, because they define existing things as semi-migpas? Cancel the whole bit.

Let me try. Yeah, for two objects. Yeah, you don't have any money.

What? Yeah, each one of those perceptions is to prove how you can actually have a perception of each one of the objects. Rangsam and Chitsam.

All right. Nice. I'll give you $50.

Okay. There's two objects in the universe. The ones that you can perceive with your direct perception and the ones you can figure out with your logic.

Those are exactly the two perceptions needed to confirm the two kinds of objects in the universe. Direct perceptions confirm coffee cups in the real world. Indirect perceptions confirm the idea of a coffee cup.

If you're going to talk about two kinds of objects in the universe, you've got to talk about two kinds of perceptions. Because the two objects are confirmed to exist by the two kinds of accurate perceptions. Therefore, what should have been called the two-object school was called the accurate perception.

Because they're trying to prove the two objects. And that's not a stupid... It's called logicians.

The minute you call them logicians, everyone falls asleep. They were logicians. They were super sexy.

They're like, how do you know there's two kinds of objects in the world? You've got to have these two accurate perceptions. How do you know they're accurate?

Now, let's get... Got it? Okay.

You got it to confirm that the world consists of two different kinds of objects. Those two objects. And that's why they got off on purchase.

All right, so here it says, ,GZHEL BYA MI GZHIG GIS, stuff you can produce is divided into stuff, real cups and theoretical cups. And the big question is what? The relationship between those two.

How much of the real cup is a mental cup? And how much is the real cup? Because the highest school says they're the same.

So we're headed that way. It's not some stupid lower school. It's one more...

Can you read one more line and then we'll bother somebody else?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, of course. ,GZHEL BYA RANG GIS GNYIS SU NGES LAS, ,TSE MA NGON RJE GNYIS SU NGES PAR DRUG PA'I, ,DAN GZHES PA, Colorado does.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. You're frozen for me, so I'm going to keep going.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, the connection keeps breaking up.

[Speaker 1]
It's that rim rocking. Hang on, I got my tech. I got an imported tech guy from Singapore.

[Speaker 2]
Should I reread it?

[Speaker 1]
You have your... I should be coming up soon. You're back, actually.

I'm back. I think so. No?

Should I go to share screen? Yeah, we can share screen. Adam, can you hear me?

[Speaker 2]
Yes, sir.

[Speaker 1]
I see me. Okay, good. So can you translate?

,GZHEL BYA means what?

[Speaker 2]
GZHEL BYA What's GZHEL BYA?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, stuff you can perceive. ,RANG GIS means RANG BZHIN and BZHIN BZHIN. What's that?

[Speaker 2]
Actual objects and archetypes. RANG BZHIN, BZHIN BZHIN, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Good, and by the way, he was being cute and he was giving abbreviations. He didn't say RANG BZHIN DANG CI BZHIN. He said RANG GIS.

Okay, got it? RANG GIS. Luckily, Adam knows.

,GNYIS SU NGES means NGES PA.

[Speaker 2]
It's fixed.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, look, there's only two kinds of stuff in the universe. It's either actual cups or mental cups. Okay, he says NGES means fixed.

Not more, not less. It's always two. Okay, NGES.

And because of that, LAS, because of that, SERMA is NGES.

[Speaker 2]
Accurate perception is fixed at the two of direct and indirect.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so you guys got it. That's the whole point this morning. Because there's two kinds of objects, there's two kinds of perceptions.

That's all. There's theoretical objects and there's real objects. Therefore, there's direct perception and indirect perception.

Okay, got it? NGES PAR GRUB. I'm going to prove that to you guys.

That's the next part of my book. We finished that part. We've been through that part.

What we're trying to do is go through the outline until we hit the part we're on now, after several years of work. I just want you to know where you've been because I got lost. Again, I got lost.

At some point, I got lost and I didn't know what he was talking about. I knew what he was saying, but I didn't know why he was saying it at that point. All right, Adam, pick on somebody to read the next line.

By the way, when we finish the outline up to where we were, we're going to go back to the book. We're just trying to figure out, logically, why is he talking about what he's talking about? So far, it's okay, but it goes off.

Okay, here we go.

[Speaker 2]
Well, I think I heard Tim. Tim was there?

[Speaker 1]
Tim is here. He looks like he's a hotel manager right now. I don't know.

If you're on Diamond Sky, please don't... All right, here's this other handsome guy.

[Speaker 2]
Good morning.

[Speaker 1]
Hi. Hi. You're going to start here.

Louder. Yeah, he's going to shepa the dradun. What's that, Tim?

He's going to explain the dradun. Good.

[Speaker 2]
Literal meaning.

[Speaker 1]
What does that mean? The dun of the dar. The meaning of the dra.

I'm sorry. Frustrating. Now, why do we call them rangtsen and chitsen?

Why do we call them particular sign and then general sign? Why are coffee cups in the world called particular sign? And why are coffee cups as a concept called general sign?

These are the nicknames in the logic books. Okay, rangtsen. Say rangtsen.

Rangtsen. Chitsen. Then he says, you guys might be wondering, why don't we call it just a coffee cup in the world?

Why do we call it self sign? And then why do we call a coffee cup in your mind a general sign? Why?

Why do we do that? He's going to explain it for us. All right, let's keep going with Tim.

You correct him. Rangchit sosoy ngobo denla apa. Yeah, denla apa means let's establish, nice.

Let's establish the different, the two, ngobo here means seni. Definition. Yeah, let's establish the two definitions.

What is an object in the world defined as? And how do you define an object in your mind? How do you define those two?

Ngobo denla apa means let's define them. Keep going, Tim. There's so little here.

Rangchit seni denla apa. Yeah, now he says, let's denla apa. Let's establish the definition of rangtsen.

And now he gives the full form of rangtsen. Rangchit seni. So rangtsen means cup in the world.

You can say, own sign, rangtsen. Or if you stretch the word out, it's rangchit seni, which means the definition of the thing. The cup in the world, in the logic text, is called the definition of the thing.

Or the sign of the thing, lakshina, the sign of the thing. All right, cool. That's going to have two parts.

Keep going, Timothy. Seni shepa. I'm going to explain the definition of stuff in the world.

Rangtsen. And senshi nusua. Nusua.

That's it. Senshi is the opposite of seni. The opposite of a definition?

Yep.

[Speaker 2]
Classical example.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, the classical example is senshi. So look, I'll give you the definition of a cup in the world. And then I'll give you a real example of a cup in the world.

And that'll be enough. You'll understand it, right? Okay, cool.

All right. And our classes, Shenzong Tower classes, start here at this point. He's supposed to be in the middle of giving us a real example of a cup in the world.

That's where we stopped in Adam's text last term. Term 20, back in May and June. That's where we stopped.

But I think it would be useful to look ahead slightly, okay? And then we'll go to the actual text. So let's get Tim to do one more.

Nupoyen na. Rangtsen ni ngupar ndukpay chokde gakpa. Yeah, and de gakpa tenpa means we're going to get some bad ideas about what's a real thing in the world.

And what's the definition? What's the example of a real thing in the world? We're going to get some bad opinions.

And then we're going to block those opinions. That's called gakpa. Like gakja, right?

The gakja in that case is other people's wrong opinion. And we're going to destroy those opinions, okay? In order to understand cops in the world better, we're going to have some...

I was going to say asshole, but it's not a good word. We're going to have some other guy come up and say some dumb things about it. And we're going to defeat him.

And in that interchange, we will learn more about it, okay? That's why we bring out these idiots, okay? So idiots are useful.

Just remember that. Okay. And let's pick another person, Adam.

I got, what nuts I got here? I don't know. I got Sugeng here, if you want.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, let's take a... Yeah, totally. Sugeng sounds great.

[Speaker 1]
See you, Tim.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you.

[Speaker 1]
Sugeng bought a house in the best city in the world, which is not Singapore. He already had a house there. It's a windmark or something.

Okay, please read. NGOS PO YIN NA RANG BZHAN YIN MI DGOS PAR DUG PA'I CHOG DE RGAGS PA Okay, we're going to work backwards, okay? First, we're going to RGAGS PA.

Refute. We're going to stop. We're going to refute.

CHOG means position here. CHOG normally means direction, but here it means position. We're going to block the position which DGOS PA's...

[Speaker 2]
Believed.

[Speaker 1]
Which believes that if you're a NGOS PO...

[Speaker 2]
A working thing?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, in this case, BHABA, working thing, okay? If you do something, if something does something, MI DGOS RANG BZHAN.

[Speaker 2]
It doesn't necessarily have to be a practical thing.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, okay. So, the other guy comes up and says, I think there's stuff in the world that does stuff, which is not an actual thing in the world. Okay?

He says, just because something does something, doesn't mean it has to be an object in the actual world. Okay? Now, we're blocking that opinion, which means what do we think?

[Speaker 2]
When something does something. It has to be, NGOS PO must be, you know what I'm saying?

[Speaker 1]
When something does something, it has to be doing that in the actual world, which means concepts can't do anything. Okay? That means our position is that concepts don't do stuff, which is a tricky position.

Okay? All right? That's our first argument.

Let's go see what's our second argument. Sugeng, read please. NGOS PO SOGS CHE SU MA ZE ZE SU MA DROD PA'ANG DROD PA'ANG CHOG RGAGS PA Okay, going backwards again.

So, we're going to RGAGS PA. We are going to stop the CHOG. The, what was it again?

Position. Oh, position. Which DROD PA believes that NGOS PO's working things are ZE.

ZE, small, substantial. Substantial. Okay?

Okay. Oh, sorry, which are not ZE, yeah. So, somebody says, look, something can do something and not be substantial.

He says it's not the case that if something performs a function, it has to be substantial. And we block that, which means what do we believe? Believe it is substantial.

Yeah, if it performs a function, it must be substantial in the world. Which again, so now we have two positions. Number one, if you perform a function, you are stuck in the real world.

Number two, if you perform a function, you have to be substantial. Meaning, same as stuck in the real world. Okay, got it?

Which kind of says that if it's an idea, it cannot perform a function. And it's not substantial. It's in the realm of fantasy or in the realm of ghosts, like that.

Okay, got it? You okay? Then here, there's a long rambling discussions with no structure.

He dumps the outline. Okay, and then when I finally got there and I saw why I was uncomfortable, I was right. Okay, I was right.

And by the way, we just finished Nick's book by Gyeltsabje, Commentary on Arya Nagarjuna's Sixty Verses on Emptiness. And he does the same thing three times. And I tracked him.

And he went off the chart. He went off the radar three times, like for a long time, like for pages and pages, you know. And I caught him.

And then I said, now maybe Khedrje being Gyeltsabje's brother, maybe he's doing the same thing. And I proved it. Okay, so yeah, he took off.

And he went off on his own thing with no structure either. Like there's not even a structure to the digression. It just goes off, you know.

And then like an hour later, he comes, oh, what were we talking about? And I'm like, thanks. You know, so I was lost.

And I realized he wanted me to be lost. And I felt better. Now, but let's finish these little tiny parts of the outline.

This is where we are going after the chaos part. Okay, he goes off on some ideas that he was having that day. And then he comes back, okay.

When he comes back, first he does, how do you pronounce this? PAR SKAB GYI GCIG You remember what that means? You had something in your book.

PAR SKAB GYI GCIG SU BYAS PA Oh, the shlok verse. In a heavy philosophy text, there's a tradition to take a break and put a little poem in there. Like, roses are red, violets are blue.

Okay, let's get back. And it's supposed to relax your mind or something. I don't know.

PAR SKAB GYI GCIG means, GCIG here with the S means poetry, lines of poetry. PAR SKAB means, I'll give you a break. PAR SKAB, what's another famous part?

PAR DO, PAR DO. You see, it goes in between the subjects. And it's just like a little, it really does help.

You get to one of those PAR SKAB GYI GCIGs and it's a little poem. And it's cute and it's inspiring. And you take a breath.

And then you jump back into the philosophy. It is useful. Denden Dup uses it a lot.

The first big teacher. Okay. Then, after he does this break, why did he take a break?

Because he just spent 10 pages on chaos with no outline. Okay. Then he says, RANG GI BDOD PA SPYOD PA BYA RANG GI BDOD PA Our position.

Our own goals. Yeah, our position. What did we have so far?

We had other people saying, I think it could be a functional thing and still be in the realm of the mind. Or I think it can be a substantial thing and still be in the realm of the mind. And we're like, no and no.

If it's doing something, it's in the normal world. If it's a thing, if it's substantial, it's in the normal world. Got it?

And then, big fight. Take a break. Come back.

And then naturally we're going to flow into our position. Look, if it's functional, it's got to be in the real world. Look, if it's substantial, if it's a substantial stock, if it's a stock, it's got to be in the real world.

And we're going to prove it. To do that, we're going to read CI TZAN NI BSTAN LA APA Nice APA. Yeah, he's going to establish the SEMS of CI TZAN.

The meaning of the CI TZAN. Yeah, I'll give you the definition of a thing in the abstract. Of a cup in the abstract.

A cup in the mind. I'll give you the definition. Then I'll give you the TZAN NI.

I'm sorry, then I'll shepa the TZAN NI. To teach the TZAN NI. Yeah, I'll break the definition down into parts and explain it to you.

And... Change in LUS SUNG BA. The classical example.

Yeah, then we'll identify LUS SUNG BA, a classical example. One more little piece and then we come back to the real text and we're done with this digression. What was the reason for the digression again?

He digresses. He goes off with no structure, no sense, no reason. It's unclear what the hell he's doing.

And it bothered me. And then I came back and proved that he did that. But now it's time for us to go off with him on his digression.

And maybe by the end of it we'll figure out why he did that. It must be educational. Anything that's confusing is educational.

Right, Daniel? All right. Sugeng is going to read one last piece here.

THA NI RANG GCIG NYID KYI SKABS SU NYE BAR KHO BA'I ZHAR BYUNG ZHAR BYUNG NGA SIG TEN LA'ABS PAR BYA Yeah. So let's go backwards slowly, Sugeng. TEN LA'ABS The teaching?

Let's set forth. Oh, set forth. NGA SIG, Adam?

The details? NGA SIG means a couple. I'm going to give you a couple.

Yeah, I'm going to give you a couple. I'm going to give you a couple of what? ZHAR BYUNG ZHAR BYUNG means off the topic.

ZHAR BYUNG means incidental points. Incidental points. The main points.

And here are some secondary points that are connected to those main points. Those are called ZHAR BYUNG. KYI RANG SA RKANG RGYOR BA'I ZHAR LA CINNAMON ROLL GCIG NYID DA Say SA RKANG.

SA RKANG RGYOR BA'I ZHAR LA CINNAMON ROLL NGA SIG NYID DA NGA SIG NYID DA Can you pick me up a few cinnamon rolls on your way to the cafe? ZHAR LA means on your way. In philosophy, it means I got some secondary points.

I have some mildly connected points. It means they might not be so connected. They're called by-the-way points.

ZHAR LA In colloquial Tibetan, ZHAR LA means on your way to the store, can you drop by the laundry or something? ZHAR LA These are NYE BAR KO BA. Nick, you guys?

Yeah, that's right. NYE BAR KO BA A close friend? Very necessary.

Yeah, NYE BAR KO BA means necessary. Indispensable. He says they are ZHAR LA, but they are NYE BAR KO BA.

What does that mean? Secondary, but incident. But if you don't have it, you're not going to make it.

But on your way to the store, can you pick up some oxygen? Because you're going to die. You won't make it to the store.

It's a funny way to talk. Peter Jay is saying, I got some incidental stuff here, but it's like, if you don't get it, you're going to die on the way to the store. Got it?

NYE BAR KO BA And you're going to need it not only for my discussion of wrong sense, but you're going to need it for my discussion of cheat sense also. Whether you're taking a trip to wrong sense, real stuff in the world, or whether you're taking a trip to cheat sense, ideas and stuff in the world, you're going to need this oxygen on the way. I got stuff that you really should got to have on the way.

I wish you would have given it to us earlier. Okay? All right.

Good. Got it? That's where we're going.

That's where we're going. What are we expecting now? Some chaos.

We're expecting some chaos arguments. Then he's going to go into the definition of a thing in the abstract, a cup in the mind. Then he's going to discuss the definition of a cup in the mind.

He's going to give examples of cups in the mind. Then he's going to give us some necessary oxygen on the way to going deeper into these two concepts. Okay?

Cool? All right. We need a new victim.

Who I got here? I got Daniel Garcia. I got Ruud.

I got Daniel.

[Speaker 2]
Let's do Daniel.

[Speaker 1]
You got somebody online, Adam, that you want to pick on?

[Speaker 2]
I think Daniel can help us.

[Speaker 1]
Good to pick on, right? Let me get us back to where we are. Here's where we're going to go.

Adam, we're going back to section 12.7. We're done with our little side trip to the outline. Why did we go to the outline?

[Speaker 2]
Because he digressed and we got a little lost.

[Speaker 1]
He went off. Then he admitted it. Okay.

All right. But he didn't warn us and it felt bad. It felt like we were stupid.

We weren't stupid. We were just lost. Please read.

Adam, please correct Daniel, okay? Yes, sir. Okay.

Sorry. How do you say that one? Okay.

Stay here because you survived. You get to do some more. Adam, when you're teaching, keep them going until they make a big mistake.

Dhani means where we had it before. Dhani. Hey, now.

What do you want to do now? Hey, now. Let's do some Gagpa.

[Speaker 2]
Let's refute those wrong ideas.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Let's attack some people. Let's have some fun attacking people.

You know people like that, right? Let's have fun attacking somebody. Tenpa jang means I'm going to give you some attacks.

We're going to have some attacks. Here's two kinds of attacks. We're going to have two kinds of attacks.

Number one, some people say just because it's a ngepo, it doesn't have to be a rangchen. Just because it's a working thing doesn't mean it has to be an actual thing in the world. Which implies there's working things which are conceptual according to this guy.

Because we're Gagpa him, it means we don't believe him. Which means we believe what? If it's a working thing, it must be in the normal world.

It cannot be conceptual. There's so many possible exceptions to that. Are you saying the idea of democracy is not a working thing?

Well, in America it's not. Or something like that. Are you saying ideas aren't working things?

It's a very radical idea. That's our first attack. Does anybody remember what our second attack is going to be?

He says if it's a working thing doesn't mean it has to be a... If it's substantial, it doesn't have to be in the real world. He said.

Which means we believe what? If it's substantial, it has to be in the real world. Got it?

And we're going to learn more about our idea of real world and mental world by having someone attack us, which is the idea. That's the benefit of debate. Someone's going to come and say, but I think democracy is a real thing in the world.

Or sorry, it's a working thing. Even though it's just a mental thing. And then when we fight with him, we all learn more.

That's the idea. That's why we have debate books. Debate books are answering mental reservations that you should have had if you were paying attention.

You should have had this question in your own mind. Working thing has to be in the real world? What about ideas?

What about the theory of relativity? It blows up a city. It's not working?

You should have thought about this. You should be having these questions. Thank you.

Daniel volunteered, Adam, to be tortured by you. Thank you, Jamie. Thanks.

Thank you again. Thank you. Thank you, chair.

Okay, good. We're starting with a sarcastic statement from us to him. He said, let's see, he said you could have a working thing which was in the realm of the mind.

We're going to come back to him with a sarcastic statement. This is called a telangir. What's the Tibetan?

Telangir. You mean prasangika? Yeah.

Sarcastic counterexample, which is the name of the highest middle way school. The highest middle way school is called the sarcastic counterexample school. All fruits are yellow.

Oh, I guess oranges are yellow. The sarcastic counterstatement defines the higher middle way school. The highest school of Buddhism is called, oh, I guess oranges are yellow.

Got it? Here's our... I'm going to go to the end part first.

Oh, I guess blah, blah, because blah, blah. Let's do the second part first. Because bum dzin mun sum se me sung yu, bumpa dzinpa.

[Speaker 2]
Which holds a coffee cup.

[Speaker 1]
It means a perception which holds... The literal here is a vase, but we like to say coffee cup in the mixed notes. The perception which is holding onto a coffee cup.

Mun sum.

[Speaker 2]
It's direct.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. Se me. Let's consider the direct, accurate perception.

It's not on drugs. It's not sleepy. Let's consider the correct, accurate perception which is holding onto a coffee cup.

Let's consider the perception. Don't forget we said we're going to have a lot of discussions of two kinds of perceptions because we're having a lot of discussions of two kinds of realities. Two kinds of things in the world.

These two conversations are going to be going on all through this book. So much that the book itself was called accurate perception. Bum dzin mun sum se me.

Let's consider the sung yu, held the object. The object which is held. Let's consider the object which is held by the direct perception of a coffee cup in the world.

Let's consider this perception. Let's consider the state of mind which is looking at a coffee cup in the world. Got it?

Sung yu yinpay chi tsen. Let's consider an accurate perception which is holding onto a coffee cup in the world. Is the object of that perception a theoretical coffee cup or a real coffee cup?

I'm talking about the perception of a cup in the world.

[Speaker 2]
An actual one.

[Speaker 1]
What it's holding onto is a rang tsen. It's a real coffee cup in the real world. When you have a direct perception of a coffee cup in the world, what you're looking at must be in the real world.

Got it? We say, yeah, but there are theoretical coffee cups that are perceived by everyday perception in the world. Oh, there's theoretical coffee cups which are perceived by everyday perceptions of coffee cups in the world.

Do we believe that? No, it's a sarcasm. Oh, I guess there's theoretical coffee cups being perceived by direct perceptions of real coffee cups, right?

He should say, why the hell do you say that? Why are you saying that? Why are we saying that?

Why are we saying that? I'll say it again. We go back to him with some sarcasm.

Oh, I guess there's real coffee cups in the world that when you perceive them with a worldly perception, they are theoretical coffee cups. I guess your everyday perceptions can pick up theoretical coffee cups, right? He says, well, why do you say that?

Who would say that? That's silly. I said, look man, you're the one who said that if something was functioning, it didn't have to be in the real world.

You're the one. That's the necessary consequence of your position. What's his position?

You can have a working thing which is theoretical. And then we say, oh, I guess you can have a worldly perception of a conceptual coffee cup, right? Why do you say that?

You can have a theoretical perception of a real coffee cup. Okay, you all right? You look like you just ate a I don't know, a poop or something.

All right. We're just flipping it around. He says there's working stuff in the realm of the theoretical, and then we say, oh, there's theoretical stuff in the realm of the working, right?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
Daniel's going to read a little bit more. Don't worry, it doesn't hurt. Oh, that was a good mess up, right?

MA GRUB NA MA GRUB NA I'm thinking of gruff, that's a thing. MA GRUB NA BOOM PA CHEATS AND YIM PA B B is to blow a horn. Okay?

Like and in logic it means puh. Okay, got it? It's a beautiful word.

You can use it on your friend. Oh, puh. It's saying buh.

It's got to be pronounced buh. Buh means puh. What?

Your position that boompa is a cheats and puh. What's boompa? Coffee cup.

Cheats and object in the theoretical world. Object in the theoretical world. He was implying that a cup could exist in the theoretical world, because he said a working thing could exist in the theoretical world.

And we said, well, then I guess blah blah blah. And then he said, I don't agree with that. And we said, okay, then you blew your own position.

You said, you were implying that a coffee cup could exist in the theoretical world. So, now that you disagree above, then buh, to your position that a coffee cup could exist in the theoretical world. A real one.

Got it? Why? Because it works.

Because it works. He said, could have working stuff in the theoretical world. And we said, what about the thing that the perception of coffee cup holds?

And he says, well, yeah, I guess it could exist in the theoretical world. We said, no, it can't. Got it?

Just nod. There's fewer nods and slower nods in this view. Who's next, Adam?

Let me pick on somebody. You want to pick on somebody online? Oh, by the way, we got five minutes until what?

[Speaker 2]
The discussion, probably.

[Speaker 1]
You're going to tell me and Adam why this stuff is at all relevant to going to the coffee shop and having breakfast after this. How can you use this stuff in the real world? Why are we having this discussion?

Why are you spending your precious lifetime discussing theoretical coffee cups? What's the point? And if you don't see a point, I'll say you don't understand highest minimum wage.

Okay. Adam, who's up next? Somebody online.

[Speaker 2]
Earl, man. Be good to see your face, brother.

[Speaker 1]
Earl, man. Superhero.

[Speaker 2]
There's 436 people here. That's really cool.

[Speaker 1]
I think, by the way, Earl is leading a wonderful retreat at Diamond Mountain on the actual yogic practices over New Year's. If you'd rather take stuff out of your body than put stuff into your body on New Year's Eve, see you. Be there.

Okay, Earl. I stole five minutes from the next Mixed Nuts. We'll do a quick advertisement Monday about those retreats.

Yeah, we're looking forward. If you're interested in the actual deep yoga practices, catch that retreat over New Year's at Diamond Mountain with Earl. Okay, here we go.

Gotcha, Michael. We're doing brunch every Saturday to enjoy your classes. Yay!

We're having pancakes and waffles here too. Okay, I expect you to send a tip to the Peace Tree Cafe. Please read, Earl.

Stop trying to get out of it. Adam, you're checking. Sure.

Here. Okay, good. Adam, what's GYUN mean?

Like GYUN MIN DU.

[Speaker 2]
We get a problem here.

[Speaker 1]
GYUN means three problems are going to come up. We say, look, if you have this weird idea that coffee cups could exist in the abstract world, and that abstract things could exist as the object of your indirect perceptions, then three problems come up. Three problems with your idea.

Number one, DGRA DUNG GSUM YUL DU BYAS PA'I NGON TSAM SEMS PA'I YOD PAR THAL BA DANG According to you, if there's a functioning object in the abstract, if there's a functioning object in the world of the abstract, then first of all, there would have to be YOD PAR THAL BA There would have to be a NGON TSAM SEMS PA Yeah, an accurate perception. A direct perception, which could take as its object YUD DU BYAS PA which could take as its object DGRA DUNG The literal meaning?

[Speaker 2]
Literal sound?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. How do you say? The name, cup.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
According to you, there could be a direct world-building perception of the word cup as a theoretical thing. You should be able to have a direct perception of the idea cup with your eyeball. I'll say it again.

According to you, your eyeball should be able to detect the idea of a cup. By the way, these are all telling yours. These are all sarcasm.

According to you, you could have a direct perception of the idea cup, of an idea with your eyeball, which by the way can only detect two things. Colors and shapes. According to you, there could be an idea of something that's red or round, because that's all the eyeball can see.

Got it? Cool? What was that?

So that's our first problem with what he said. According to you, your eyeball should be able to detect an idea, but it can't. Second wrong idea.

RNGON SEMS RTOGS CHE YOD PA'I THAL BA DANG According to you, okay Adam, you ready? RNGON SEMS SEMS should have an element of RTOGS PA in it. Without the S.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, just an idea. Perception.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, direct sense perceptions should be able to have ideas. RTOGS CHE means ideas. Should mental...

In the Yoga Sutra, Vittaka Vichana, the ideas, your perception of colors and shapes should be able to think, oh, this is pretty. But it can't. Got it?

RTOGS CHE means it should be able to have a discursive thought, but it cannot. Got it? Two problems so far.

What's the third problem? And then we're done. And then you're going to explain to me what the hell this has to do with your real life.

Good luck. RNGON SEMS SEMS YOD DU BYAS PA'I BRTZE MA According to you, there should be a BRTZE MA.

[Speaker 2]
There should be a deductive accurate perception.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah. According to you, there should be logic which can perceive blue. In the real.

Blue in the real. Not the idea of blue. Blue as reality.

According to you, logic should perceive blue in the world as a direct sense object. Got it? We're trying to say thinking in the abstract and perceptions of your sense organs are split.

In this school. What's that mean? It gets greasy in the two top schools.

Mind only, the blue is coming out of a scene in your foundation consciousness. Middle way, it is the goddamn scene. Got it?

Lord Buddha is setting us up for the fourth school by swimming in the second school. Got it? It wasn't that some idiots made the second school.

It's all part of a huge plot. It's a huge Buddha plot like everything else is. All right.

Adam, I'm going to take a break and you're going to squeeze something, some way we can use this stuff in the real world. Go. 15 minutes.

And then we have Juan Haso with the Peachtree World News.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. I didn't monitor the chat quite as much as I would have liked to, but I would definitely be open to hearing if anybody saw anything come up in the chat that may be relevant to a conversation about today's material.

[Speaker 1]
How can we use it in our real life?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Okay. Do we have any real apps that we could suss out of this?

[Speaker 1]
I definitely think that distinguishing whether or not an idea in our minds of anything is quote unquote real or not is something that could be expanded in so many ways for life. Just considering arguments or wars.

[Speaker 2]
Totally. Because the idea that you could read somebody else's mind or understand maybe their intentions leads to a lot of problems. From war to the husband in the kitchen.

[Speaker 1]
Adam, we got a comment from Dennis or Olga here. Who would you prefer?

[Speaker 2]
Can we do both? Dennis, we'll go alphabetically.

[Speaker 1]
Quick, quick, quick. Don't knock on my door.

[Speaker 2]
Just simply that with the real coffee cup, I can be nourished from drinking from it. With a theoretical coffee cup, like an idea or a beautiful idea, you can also be nourished by focusing on it, right?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
I like that.

[Speaker 1]
It's functioning.

[Speaker 2]
It's functioning, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
It means we should keep them out of the second school.

[Speaker 2]
Hey, Dennis. Good morning. Thanks, man.

I think that's beautiful.

[Speaker 1]
By the way, he's the architect of the English gardens at the Peace Tree Cafe. It was beautiful.

[Speaker 2]
So cool to see.

[Speaker 1]
We got Olga coming up.

[Speaker 2]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Go ahead. Talk loud.

[Speaker 3]
Hi. I think it's very important to understand if concepts can really work in the real world because in my experience, in the real world where we live in, concepts do work and they can create wars. For example, one nation has a concept or makes the concept in the minds of their citizens that another nation wants to attack it or that another nation is full of aggressive, I don't know, people, fascists or whatever or that another nation is...

No specifics.

[Speaker 1]
We're on the line. Okay. Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Any idea that some nation is evil like some in the past we had like some... Okay, okay, okay. And then it's wars which is a real world.

That's pretty functional, the ideas.

[Speaker 1]
Yes. All right. Thank you.

Anybody else, you guys?

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Olga.

[Speaker 1]
Anybody else? Why does this conversation have anything... There's a bunch online, Adam.

[Speaker 2]
I have been neglecting the chat. Okay, so let's go to the first one I see here is Ella. How this helps me in the real world is when I'm struggling with something.

For example, if someone cuts me off in traffic, I can take a mental step back and ask myself, what exactly am I getting upset about? Is it something happening to me or something I'm projecting due to how I've treated other people? I think that's certainly applicable.

We're all grasping from Tracy, Tracy McKenzie, we're all grasping to what we think or see. Love, maybe that's our eyes only see color and shape to reassess what we think we see. Okay.

[Speaker 1]
So Gang has one, Adam, you want?

[Speaker 2]
Of course.

[Speaker 1]
Come on, come on. You want to sit on this? You're okay.

Here we go. Then we got a comment from Dio... Yeah, I just want to...

I think from this discussion it's very important to determine whether concept itself function to create the result of the concept which is working to create. You lost me.

[Speaker 3]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
I would like to debate Olga's idea, meaning that idea can create war. Is the idea itself creating the war or the effect of the idea which is creating the war? This is similar to the first link misunderstanding which is supposed to be neutral, but the result of that is not neutral.

So idea is neutral, idea is not functioning, but the result of the idea is functioning. So I think application of this concept is that we need to be able to differentiate between idea and the effect of the idea.

[Speaker 2]
That's a good guess.

[Speaker 1]
First and second. Anjali is coming up. Awesome.

Talk loud.

[Speaker 3]
So I'm thinking about how it's very easy in my life to think about everything with emptiness and get into the theoretical ideas of what that could mean in terms of when people appear in my life that are problems or people who have difficulties and how I can be figuring it out. But unless I actually do something, actually go out and act with compassion and bring that understanding of emptiness and the method of taking care of others, I think that's where it turns into a working thing for me.

[Speaker 1]
I'm actually functionally interacting with the person, a warm human being with feelings. But I've used the understanding, the theoretical understanding to work with my world. So you think there is a cross over?

You think you're not in the second school? You disagree with the second school that says they're divorced? Yeah, kind of.

Everyone's, I think, anti-second school in this second school conversation.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, you guys are all heading home. Awesome. These are all great.

[Speaker 3]
So when I was young, I read this about like, you can have everything you want if you just think about it. And for a while, I tried it. But then I realized that I was not happier.

My mind was very weak. And I was very far from my family. Then I think this sadness took me to these teachings.

And then I'm trying to figure out this difference of just living in your mind and trying to create everything that you want. And then I'm able to be close to my family and to be more logical and to give what I want to have. And it was I was very sad when I was just living in this mind.

And then this is like really making me more happy and more into people.

[Speaker 1]
Yay! Dinara. Dinara's got something out of him.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, yeah, Dinara, please.

[Speaker 3]
Hi, Adam. Hi, all. I like the idea that idiots can teach us something.

[Speaker 1]
I'm out of business.

[Speaker 3]
Confusion and conflicts that we may have or have, we can always ask ourselves what lesson I'm learning here.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that's great. That is great. We've got a hand raised from Sarah.

[Speaker 1]
Hi, everyone. Thank you. I've been mostly confused by everything, but I'm just thinking about the idea of like the difference between having a person in front of me, a warm body, like someone said before, and the fact that actually I'm like standing in front of a glowing box and seeing colors and shapes on the Zoom, but like all the things that are happening in my mind that are creating actual people that I'm interacting with.

Like that's just something that came up for me that feels like it's relevant to the discussion.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, that is kind of a neat crossover there. Yeah. I think about that.

Are the people on my laptop screen actual people?

[Speaker 1]
Hey, Adam, I think Venerable Utpal has the comment, I'm not sure.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, yeah. I'd love to hear it.

[Speaker 1]
I'm just typing what other people say.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, and thank you, Sarah. That was really cool. Let's see.

How much time do we have left? We got two minutes?

[Speaker 1]
Do you have any online, Adam? Yeah, there's one from Earl says from Spiro. We give our ideas too much substance.

We take them as a little too real. The person is like this because I think they are like that.

[Speaker 2]
Maria, going back to what Sugeng said, the idea is neutral, but plant seeds to see a result that has a complication in real life. Like bodhicitta as a wish is an idea, but because this idea of plant seeds in the mind of the one who has this wish, it later creates a result of bodhicitta as an action, but is the idea neutral if the result of it is positive or negative?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, nice.

[Speaker 2]
I think I feel like I've been talking way too fast this whole thing, the interpreters are... I see how fast their lips are moving. They're trying to keep up.

[Speaker 1]
In your next life, you're going to be a translator.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, my gosh. It would be a blessing and also a little torturous.

[Speaker 1]
We got one more comment here. We got one more minute. Olga wants to make another comment.

Which is very unusual. Okay.

[Speaker 3]
Just a comment to Sugeng's comment that if ideas don't work, but the effects of ideas work. To me, this is the proof that ideas work. If ideas is able to have effect, this means that it works.

[Speaker 1]
That's a real second scoop. Adam, I think we got to go over to our handsome pastry.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, everyone. It was really, really fun.

[Speaker 1]
Daniel? Daniel's going to sit with me while we listen to Hassan.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you, Geshe Michael. It was a great class.

[Speaker 1]
You did a great job. Don't forget to get your homework together and your translation. By the way, never send me a translation 10 minutes before class.

It's too much. Thank you, Geshe-la. Thanks, everybody.

Thank you, Adam. Thank you, all the live interpreters. You guys are great.

Just a reminder, if you want to study Word, is this correct? We have class with you after the Peachtree? Yes, we do.

All right. If you want to continue studying or start studying the basics, Word is kind enough to teach right after Daniel finishes the news. If Word doesn't offer $100 bets, make sure he does.

Thanks, Ken. Hassan, you're on. Okay.

[Speaker 2]
How are you? Thank you very much for joining today. I think it's a very cool project that, from my eyes, is really having a lot of international success.

It's exciting to see this Shang Tsung Tower being a great, great success. I see so many people being interested, participating, learning, joining, so that's great. Okay.

Today, we want to talk about something that's about to happen on Tuesday, next Tuesday. I know, Gisela, you're having these days the Sedona College of International Management.

[Speaker 3]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
We are hearing some people talking, but we're going to have a special show in the morning. I want to share with you some of the advertisement posters for the event. There, Gisela, among other things, is going to be sharing with us what are you studying these days on the Advanced Level 3.

If you're curious, maybe you didn't have the chance to attend directly the term over there, but here you're going to be able to see a little peek, a window on what's happening there. I'm going to share with you this thing. Just one sec.

I'm learning now to be, how do you say, multitasking by talking and sharing screen at the same time. Let me show you. First, here it is.

Can you see? Yes, I get it. This is just the general advertising for the project.

If you're interested to get to know more about this project where we join together and talk about the World View Network, there is the website you can go, YouTube channel where the shows and the events are recorded. We also have an Instagram page where many of the special interviews are recorded. Here is the QR code for our next show which I will show you again here.

Let me show you. This is as well the poster that we're going to be using for registration. Please, if you want to join, check it out.

Here it is, sharing screen again. This one. Okay.

As you can see, we're going to have Geshe-la sharing with us some special content. Advanced Level No. 3.

We're going to talk also about the Oasis project that's happening at Diamond Mountain, a new project that Sky Harbors is coordinating. We're going to have a very special interview with the people who just went to do the Latin American tour. As you may have heard, some teachers in Mexico, they started sharing this ancient wisdom in all Latin America.

We're going to have mostly all of them on stage sharing about their experience. If you want to join, there is a QR code. It's at 6 a.m. in the morning in Arizona for all of you that are there. Hope you can come. Talk to Daniel if you want to attend live. Daniel is there.

Talk to him. It's going to be very cool. Lastly, I'm going to share that we are doing big efforts to reach many, many areas in the country.

I just want to share with you how are we doing at advertisement in many different languages. That's the next thing I want to share with you. Okay.

Here I share.

[Speaker 1]
Good job, Juan.

[Speaker 2]
Thank you. I'm still learning a lot of things on tech, but check it out. Okay.

That's it. We are doing big efforts to be able to reach many different regions in the world.

[Speaker 1]
So far, these days, we are having 12 different languages. Actually, it's very cool to be involved trading on the posters because somehow you start picking patterns in different languages. I recommend it.

[Speaker 2]
It's a cool exercise if you're interested. I think languages, learning them, they hide a big, deep secret and understanding about how now that we're studying Pramana, reality works. Languages are very, very fun.

Okay. So that's it for now regarding SpeechTree World News. But we want to talk about something cool that happened just a few days ago at Diamond Mountain Retreat Center.

This is some other thing that as SpeechTree World News, we like to do. We like to go and check different worldview events and see what people have to say about it. Attendees, participants, volunteers, etc.

We want to share with you these special interviews. This is some of the things that we do that we have from people who attended Diamond Mountain. After that, we're going to have Tim Lohenhaupt himself speaking about what just happened at Diamond Mountain and what's coming up next.

So let me show you next these interviews. Just one moment. Here it is.

Okay. One sec.

[Speaker 3]
Hi, Olga. Can you share with us how was the retreat for you? Hello, Sunshine.

It was so cool. It was great.

[Speaker 1]
It was like best experience ever. You know, like I came here, I didn't know anything about retreat, about meditation, about yoga, anything.

[Speaker 3]
And now, like, I'm fully a different person. And it's so cool. It's like so calm.

And I love it.

[Speaker 1]
This retreat was absolutely amazing. We had so many new students. This is the first time we've had a full house here at Diamond Mountain since before COVID.

And it was amazing to see how all these new people came together who actually didn't even know much about what we were doing. And they had amazing meditative experiences. They opened their hearts.

And I'm just super excited that we can do more of these here at Diamond Mountain. This retreat was surprisingly amazing. It wasn't exactly what I expected.

But the teachings were so incredible.

[Speaker 3]
They churned my heart and helped me to see things that I wasn't able to see before. Look at this place. Diamond Mountain.

It opens your heart. It's so magical. I laughed.

I cried. I experienced ultimate deep wisdom, love, compassion.

[Speaker 1]
Most of our lives is filled with all this neutral stuff. There's people we meet and we like and people we meet and we feel like they're not so appealing. But most of everything is neutral.

Somebody made the analogy that's like being in a car that's sitting in neutral where you're not making any progress. You're just there. And that's basically you're losing ground.

And so we've got to try to take all these neutral things and make them really amazing. And that's going to put us full speed ahead to our goal. The kindness is overwhelming.

The joyful effort is overwhelming. The cooperation. While I'm sad to see everybody go, it gives me another couple months to rest and recover from all the joyful effort and all the studying and all the excitement, the dancing, the music.

It's just so darn fun. Thank you so much for coming to Diamond Mountain and I hope everybody keeps coming back here.

[Speaker 3]
Thanks, Gads.

[Speaker 1]
30 days has been about the most amazing time in my whole life because being here and preparing for all the people to come and then having the 10 days of absolutely amazing everything was just beyond my best dream. Yeah.

[Speaker 3]
Thanks, Dante.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, there you go. So now of course, next thing is we want to talk to Tim and ask him what happened? Like, how did you live it this time?

And what are you planning after this big success? What are you planning next? What are you up to?

You look like you have something under your sleeve.

[Speaker 1]
Well, thanks for sharing that video, Juan. It's really wonderful to see and hear about everyone's experience. I felt like people were having that experience but it was nice to actually hear in their own words what they got out of Diamond Mountain.

So you're kind of asking what's next? So what's next? So about 30 years ago, Geshe Michael had a dream and I think the dream was to it was an idea, an idea to take the ancient texts and make them available to the world.

And that was 30 years ago. And so we're going to Kyoto in December. And we're going to be doing an event called The Power to Dream.

How to take an idea, a great idea, and bring it into reality. And so we're going to be celebrating in the last 30 years how we got to where we are. But also we're going to be giving you the tools to be able to dream yourself and take your own ideas out of your mind.

Kind of what we were talking about last day. So a concept can function. So a concept could function, right?

And then more importantly, just because you have a good idea doesn't mean you can make it real yet. And what kind of challenges will you face? What kind of hardships will you face?

And so the texts we will be studying are going to give us some advices on what to do when we face those hardships. And how do we persevere through and say, yes, I have this idea and we're going to keep going irrespective of those hardships and challenges. And there's no better example for that than Geshe Michael.

So we're very blessed to be able to study that. So that's awesome. And how do we is there room still for people?

Oh, we have some room left. So Juan, if you could share that QR code again.

[Speaker 2]
Yes.

[Speaker 1]
It's going to be in the beginning of December in Kyoto. We have some space left. And as a plug for another organization, during the same time, SCIM is having an alumni reunion in the same venue.

Get it? Nice. And so there's going to be programs for three days in the middle of this event for all the alumni of SCIM.

And you're going to get I saw the schedule the other day. It's an amazing amazing activities on how to what they're going to do with SCIM, what you can do as an alumnus. And Geshe Lasko is also going to be speaking there as well.

So you can do that for you can come for free. So the SCIM reunion is free. So if you come to that, it just might be a really good idea to also check out this other event too, in the same venue.

So thank you all. Thank you for inviting me to this. Hey Juan, who made the video at Diamond Mountain?

Actually, that was a friend of us. Her name is Ingrid. Because we were not able to be there live.

I have to, you know, make some phone calls and ask people like, hey, can you help us with that? So we arranged the whole thing. And we managed because, you know, as Peachtree World News, we try to be everywhere, even if we are not there physically.

That's many times we would like to, but if we can't, then we have to find the right assets to infiltrate the events. You never know who's working for us, really. You may think, oh, this person, just a random person.

They are undercover agents working for Peachtree World News. So we have an eye on that. So I forgot to mention, Juan, that if you would like to come to the SCIM reunion, please contact Sugeng.

So reach out to him and he'll give you all the information. We can share that when we have Sugeng on the show next week. That'll be amazing.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, and yeah, maybe, just think about it. Maybe you need people who report what's happening in Kyoto or in the summit of ACIM. You can think about Peachtree World News.

[Speaker 1]
Maybe open some spaces. Maybe something, you know. Just think about it.

We'll see. We'll see what happens. Okay.

That's great to see you. You want to say some last things? Try to come on Monday.

We're going to have more Xuanzang Towers.

[Speaker 2]
And remember, Tuesday, Tuesday we have a longer show with deep interviews, sharing content. Geshe-la will be there. And yeah, visit our website.

Visit our Instagram account. Soon we will have a TikTok account. We have social media.

You can check what we're doing.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, so Monday for the Xuanzang Tower and Tuesday at the Peachtree Cafe. Don't miss it. Thanks for joining us.

Thank you, Juan. Okay. Oops.

[Speaker 3]
Hi. Can you share with us how was the retreat for you? It was so cool.

It was great. It was like...

[Speaker 1]
Okay, everybody. We're going to transition to our learning Tibetan class. Thank you so much, Peachtree World News.

Geshe Michael and Adam.