Медитации на пустоту: объяснение шагов к пониманию того, что ничто не является самим собой, занятие 47

[Speaker 1]
SINGER SINGING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE He's cleaning up the broken shards Passo, Can you bring that manga? Ok, go. Explain your text to Taco and Mariko...

[Speaker 2]
So my text is written by an author who's from, he lived in the late 1600s, early 1700s in Tibet, and he was a teacher at a monastery, so he's well versed in how to teach, he's very good at it, and he's also just an extraordinary author. We have many texts of his, in fact many of the texts that we're translating are from him. This book was written at the end of his life when he was like, oh my gosh, I gotta get this out, you know, this is something that people really need to know about, and what it's about is about how to see, just what it is that we mean when we say that things are selfless, when things are empty.

What does that mean exactly? Because it's very important for us to know this because that is what we need to see directly in order to attain enlightenment, to be free from the cycle of suffering. So what he does is goes through the four different philosophical, Buddhist philosophical schools and talks about those fine details about the distinctions between them so that we can in our meditations identify those in our own minds because they're not just ideas, they're thoughts that we have that are incorrect about how the world is.

So this is basically a meditation manual for reaching enlightenment, so I'm lucky.

[Speaker 1]
Also, I don't know if everybody knows, but Utpala was a fat cat at Microsoft Corporation before I stole her, and she's also a great editor, so she's going to be editing a lot of the books, and she's editing a lot of the materials for Downstairs, and thank you very much for that because without that, I cannot... She saves me many hours of work. I was just appreciating her yesterday also.

What was that, Phil? Oh, he's just...

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
All right. Here we go.

[Speaker 2]
Homework. Here we go. So as we recall from many, many days ago...

Oh, wow. That's the mixed nuts victory.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, explain the name. This is our special name.

[Speaker 2]
The mixed nuts. Mixed nuts. I think we're all a little bit crazy, and we're from all different parts of the world, and we're doing all different kinds of texts, and we're very tasty.

[Speaker 1]
So we call them mixed nuts. Okay, go.

[Speaker 2]
All right, so this is about the third class, which was many days ago, so if you recall, where Choney Lam is in the midst of talking with us about syllogisms regarding na, or logical statements regarding the self. So our opponent says it's not necessarily the case that the self is not totally separate from the body and mind. So if you remember, we're talking about is it the same as, is it one, is it separate?

So we said it's not the case that the self is totally separate from the body and mind, and our opponent says, no, it's not necessarily so. Do you recall how it is when you respond?

[Speaker 1]
Whoa. That was a long time ago. So they're saying that we are separate.

Something about, if there's a Michael, why do we have to say there is a body and mind? Don't we say?

[Speaker 2]
No, that's later.

[Speaker 1]
That's later? Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Okay, okay.

[Speaker 2]
Because there's no me that's just floating around, which is not connected to the body and mind. There can still be something which is not totally connected to the body and mind. So, if you could just Hassel, you can sit here, more comfortable.

[Speaker 1]
Just kick everybody on their way.

[Speaker 2]
That's the second part, right. So first we say, if it were totally separate, we'd be able to point to it.

[Speaker 1]
We'd be able to see it.

[Speaker 2]
And then they say, well, why are you saying that? And then we say, if something relies on the body and mind, it could not exist through some nature of its own.

[Speaker 1]
Because existing through some nature of its own is the opposite of relying. That's the big deal.

[Speaker 2]
Well, okay. So, as you recall, he said there were two ways that we're going to debate about the self. And the first self was the self that we deny.

[Speaker 1]
This self, which is also a self, but this self has a different name.

[Speaker 2]
Do you recall what it might be, first in English and then in Tibetan? It has something to do with birth.

[Speaker 1]
They had a two-day vacation. They forgot everything.

[Speaker 2]
What is the self that we've now gone on to in our debate?

[Speaker 1]
Oh, docking, huh? It's probably near land. It's the inborn tendency to hold to you.

Oh, okay. The one you're born with. Friendship.

That whole thing. Dongzin. Lengzi.

Lengzi. It was slightly different. Lengzi.

[Speaker 2]
Lengzi.

[Speaker 1]
What's lengzi? Inborn. Yeah, you are born with it.

So it means animals also have it, birds have it, fish have it. Everybody has it. What's the Sanskrit?

Sahajata. Sahajata. I'm glad I didn't move any of them.

Okay, now here comes the question that Murr likes. What are the three logical problems that ensue were a self to exist as one and the same with body and mind? I like the ensue, by the way.

What was the Tibetan? Tongue? Tongue, I think.

[Speaker 2]
If the self were the same as the body and mind, then...

[Speaker 1]
I know part. If Nick is the same as Nick's body and mind, there's three parts.

[Speaker 2]
Why do you say Nick as body and mind?

[Speaker 1]
Because it's the same thing. Yeah, why do you need to say Nick? Why is there Nick?

You just say body and mind.

[Speaker 2]
There's no sense to talk about it.

[Speaker 1]
Okay.

[Speaker 2]
I've done all sorts of things.

[Speaker 1]
Second one?

[Speaker 2]
Second one?

[Speaker 1]
You have to divide Nick into many.

[Speaker 2]
That's right.

[Speaker 1]
There would be many Nicks.

[Speaker 2]
For me, divided into many means.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
Body and mind is more than one.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, cool.

[Speaker 2]
No, many means.

[Speaker 1]
Many means.

[Speaker 2]
Many means. And then the third thing... Word.

Is it also a body and mind? No, sorry.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, that's right. The me would have to come into and go out of existence moment by moment.

[Speaker 2]
Which seems fine. A little boardwalk.

[Speaker 1]
We don't think of it that way.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, some Tibetan words.

[Speaker 1]
Oh, nice.

[Speaker 2]
That was a hard one. That's a hard one.

[Speaker 1]
We all need someone we can rock lay on. Which is not taken. You're unacceptable.

Killing. We don't accept that object. It would be meaningless to assert power.

Yeah, okay. We would have got there eventually. Next kalpa.

I like your yay. Many divisions of that class. I mean, that's what it literally says.

It's idiom.

[Speaker 2]
There's another way that you can take a kalpa.

[Speaker 1]
Family. It's logical to divide. Yeah, okay.

Okay, cool.

[Speaker 2]
Yay.

[Speaker 1]
All right.

[Speaker 2]
Dividing one into many.

[Speaker 1]
Asshole.

[Speaker 2]
Asshole.

[Speaker 1]
Okay, we're in a little bit of a hard section, okay? So you're going to have to focus. Vacation's over.

No more pizza. Please. Who's got the plane?

Stanley? Come on. Criticize her.

You guys are too polite.

[Speaker 2]
Okay, cool.

[Speaker 1]
Dende dak te. Like, I don't know. Let's take Nick, okay?

If Nick, pungpo dang du, relative to Nick's body and mind, chik du drub na, if Nick was his body and mind, okay?

[Speaker 2]
Right?

[Speaker 1]
Then they would have to be, you're making chik. They'd have to be a one, which was indivisible. And then, there would be no kyewa nyera lempa po.

There'd be no lempa po. Yeah, nobody could take a new body. And, there wouldn't be lang ja, nyerwa lang ja.

And nothing that they took on. If Nick is, if to be Nick is to be Nick's body and mind, then how can Nick take a body and mind? If Nick is his body and mind, who takes his body and mind?

[Speaker 2]
Okay?

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, this is simple. This is the future principle, right? Which is taken on, which is to be taken on.

Here's the present tense, len, and here's the future tense, blang. Okay? And we had this, we just had a huge discussion about this in whose text?

In the Mind Only text, right? We just had the, but it was a long time ago. Right?

Why did it, why did it come in his text? Explain the two parts of the Mind Only school, and why we were discussing. The two extra parts of your mind.

[Speaker 2]
Explain to Taku.

[Speaker 1]
I'm testing them. It was hot about 1400 years ago? And especially in China, came to China.

Okay. So in the Mind Only school, well, okay, I'll explain one more. Lord Buddha taught for like 60 years.

The first part of his teaching, he did a lot of lists and described things in lists, and it's like, I think it's definitive. And then, in the next part of his teaching, he talked a lot about how things were empty, how they didn't have any nature. Like heart sutra, or diamond sutra.

Diamond cutter sutra, diamond sutra, very famous, right? And then, so, a high student of his asked him one day, but Lord Buddha, which one is it? Do things have no self nature, or are they this way, like, definitely?

And he said, eh, kind of both. And so he kind of, we say in our school that he hedged it, like hedged his bet or something. Like, he mixed them.

And so, that's the formation of the Mind Only school. And to explain all the teaching, he said there was two extra parts of the mind that no other school talks about. And one part of the mind is where everything you've ever done is kept.

And from there is how you see your whole world. And another part of the mind is where all the bad parts of your mind are kept, all the negativities. And because you have those two parts, and the way you have them, then you have suffering, you have all these problems.

Is that enough? Yeah, but what's it relate to taking birth? How does that relate to taking birth?

Okay, so, so the whole question then is, so other schools are like, there's no, those things don't exist, the mind. And they're like, well, if they didn't exist, then how could you take birth? How could you have a body?

How could you have feelings? And all these, they say all these problems arise if that part of your mind doesn't exist. So we're in an argument about that now.

What part of you survives after you die? What's left after you die? If your body dies, your mind dies, then you're supposed to go to the next birth, but who takes the next birth?

Who's left? So there's a connection between these two schools today. Her text is, if Nick is Nick's body and mind, then when Nick dies, there's no Nick.

So who takes the next birth? Who's left? If there's no body, if Nick is body and mind, then who's left?

And who takes the next birth? His school says, there's a Nick supermind that takes the next birth, but her text doesn't say it. Okay?

[Speaker 2]
All right.

[Speaker 1]
This is an argument of why Nick is not Nick's body and mind. It would be incorrect to say that someone took a birth and some birth was taken. Okay?

If Nick is Nick's body and mind, then who takes three births? It would be incorrect to say. Okay?

And here's more clarification. Go ahead. Who's got the plane, Sugeng?

Come on. Criticize something. Okay, go.

Well, she's testing you.

[Speaker 2]
Okay.

[Speaker 1]
This is a difficult sentence, okay? Let's go slow. Then I can also understand it.

Okay. Okay. Deta na.

If Nick was Nick's body and mind, then me, me, would be his body and mind.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
If Nick was Nick's body and mind, then me, for Nick, me, would be his body and mind. And his body and mind would also be me. Okay?

If Nick was his body and mind, then Nick would be his body and mind, and his body and mind would be Nick. Okay? Would have to be.

Tell me. And if that's true, then dear Meshwar, $50. Yeah, I'm safe.

You're not going to try for $50? Come on. Usually he wins the money.

Dear Meshwar. Okay, cancel that. This has been a cheap day for me.

One day I lost $3,000 to him. In one day. Then he gave scholarship to somebody in the class.

Okay. Dear Mahe. Yeah, he liked it.

I wonder who got the scholarship. Dear Meshwar means, without having died yet in this life, okay, without having died in this life, then still possessing your body and mind, right, future, sorry, present participle, I-N-G in English, while still possessing, shindu, okay, while still possessing your body and mind, you would take a birth. Without dying in this life, still possessing this body and mind, you would have to take a rebirth, right?

If Nick was his body and mind. And if his body and mind was Nick. I don't know, you figure it out.

You figure it out. Then, yeah, if it's Nick, if Nick is his body and mind, then he cannot die before he takes his next birth, because he would lose his body and mind, and there would be no Nick to take the next birth. Okay?

So, therefore, if you say Nick is his body and mind, in order to take a next birth, he would have to die before his body and mind die. Because he still has to have it to take the next rebirth. Okay, got it?

Come on. I didn't write it. I didn't write the book, okay.

YANG NA means what? Well, it goes with the AM.

[Speaker 2]
It's not Shenyang.

[Speaker 1]
Or otherwise. If you say that, then this follows. Yeah, YANG NA, or, moreover, YANG NA, PHUNG PO'I DIN NI SKYE BA'I MI LAM PA DE BZHIN DU If it's not the body and mind that takes the next birth, okay, BZHIN DU, BDAG KYANG SKYE BA'I MI LAM PAR then you couldn't take a body and mind.

You couldn't take a body and mind. So, the point is, if Nick is his body and mind, there's a problem. But, last week we had, if Nick's not his body and mind, there's a problem.

Okay? Then Nick is some soul, and Nick doesn't need a body and mind, and Nick's body can die, Nick's mind can disappear, and Nick is still floating around someplace. Okay?

So, what's the compromise? How is Nick related to his body and mind? Explain it with a pen.

Somebody explain it with a pen. Slowly. Man manda.

Pen.

[Speaker 2]
Pero. Pero?

[Speaker 1]
Pen? Pluma.

[Speaker 2]
Oh, Russian is Russian? Poruski?

[Speaker 1]
Pero. Ruchka. Okay, yeah, pero, that's what I said.

Okay. So, if we had a dog, if we had a perro, that we invited in the auditorium, and I was like, and I just waved this in front of his face, her face, what would they do to it? Bite it.

Right, they play with it, right? So, what is it to a dog? Chitai.

Okay, okay. So, to a human it's a pen, and to a dog it's a chitai. Question.

Are the parts different to the dog, and are the parts different to the human? Are they the same parts? Yeah, same parts.

Same basis. Yeah, they're the same. No, but the parts are the same.

Top of pen, bottom of pen. It's the same to the human and the dog. Okay?

That's like Nick's body and mind. Top of the pen and bottom of the pen is like Nick's body and mind. So, how does it become pen?

A karma opens in your mind. A picture comes out. The dog has a different karma.

They see different things. Same parts. Then the human sees a pen.

Who put the seed in their mind? How did the human put the seed in their mind? Yeah, they were nice to other people.

Good karma. They share pens with other people. In last week or last life, then they plant a seed in their mind.

Same parts they see as a pen. Because when the karma opens, picture of pen comes out. And this is Nick's body and Nick's mind.

So, how does Nick exist? He's a picture coming out of karma. Nick is just a picture coming out of karma.

Because he was nice to people in his past life. Because he's so handsome now. Same parts, yeah.

Who? Why? Oh, if they don't believe that.

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So, the pen is not automatically...

The point is, the pen is not automatically the parts of the pen. And Nick is not his body and mind automatically. He's a picture coming out of his karma onto his body and mind.

And that's Nick's emptiness. He doesn't exist naturally. He's a picture coming out of his karma.

And when that karma ends, he will die. When those pictures stop, he will die. Yeah, well, you're here with him.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker 1]
We would say the seeds survive. The seeds survive and make a new body. They can.

[Speaker 2]
We say yes. We say yes. We say yes.

[Speaker 1]
Cool? Cool? Oh, okay.

That's cool. Okay, back to our text. But it's all...

That's how Nick relates to his body and mind. In the same way that pen relates to the top of the pen and the bottom of the pen. Okay?

So, it's the same idea. Okay? Go.

So, it's not that Nick is his body and mind, and it's not that Nick is not his body and mind. It's some third choice. The third choice is, he's a picture coming out onto his body and mind.

And then he can still take birth. Without... He can lose his body and mind and take a new one.

Okay? Why? Oh, yeah, yeah.

These are two extremes. But what are they called in this proof of emptiness? What are they called?

Nick... Yeah, either Nick is his body and mind, which is one, or Nick is separate from his body and mind, which is many. And it's a famous proof by Lord Buddha for emptiness.

Things are not one, and things are not more than one. There's not one pen, and there's not more than one pen. What's left?

Okay, here we go. Go.

[Speaker 2]
GYON GNYIS PA Let's just translate that much, because you're going to get indigestion.

[Speaker 1]
Okay. GYON GNYIS PA YOD TE Yeah, there is a second problem here. GYON Yeah.

KA SA GCIG One person can have gyewang nga chi. Yeah, can have past life and future life. And...

THUGS KYI RIN PAS Yeah, and over time, there can be dark tuma. Yeah, it is possible. If you're counting past lives and future lives, we can say there's more than one Nick.

I mean, and... Yeah, that there's more than one. We can say.

That's a gyon me. No problem with that. If you're talking multiple lives, there can be multiple Nicks.

That's not a problem. Okay. But...

But there's a but. There's a but. Okay, go ahead.

[Speaker 2]
THUGS KYI RIN PAS Yeah, but let's say that that Nick, okay, the I, who took different names in different bodies, okay, different bodies and mind.

[Speaker 1]
Let's say that he is his body and mind. To be Nick is to be his body and mind. Let's say that, okay?

In that case, since the parts of body and mind in Buddhism are five, right, Heart Sutra? MIG MED NA BA MED NA MED CHE MED MED MED MED MED That's a different five. SUG MED That's a good point.

You're right. SUG MED TSOG MED DU BZHIN MED DU BZHIN MED NAM BZHIN MED Okay. SARS BU'I KHONG KHONG BU'I TSAR SARS BU'I KHONG KHONG BU'I TSAR SRUNG BZHIN GSHIG HERE I PHUR BAR PHANGS KHRING GZHIG That's the Sanskrit.

So, the parts of body and mind in Buddhism are five. And if Nick was his parts, then there'd have to be five Nick's. Okay?

If Nick is his body and mind, since the body and mind in Buddhism have five parts, then there should be five niks. Okay? Or, since there's only one me, there should be how many parts?

Yeah, only one part to Nick. Okay, got it? If Nick is the same as his body and mind, then since the parts of body and mind are five, there should be five niks.

Or if you want to go the other way, since there's only one Nick, there should only be one body-mind. Body-mind. Okay?

Yeah, I hear you. That's a good point. You do have to say five parts.

Five parts of a person. So here's a place where you cannot use body and mind. Okay?

Yeah, here we go.

[Speaker 2]
Five parts of a person.

[Speaker 1]
Yeah, I'm not sure about this. GYUN ZIN PA YOD DE, which means, there's a third problem here. Generally speaking, there's no GYUN if you say that just Nick, plain old Nick, starts and stops.

We can say Nick starts and stops. There's no big problem. Generally speaking, Nick can start and stop.

We admit that. But if the Nick who was the same as his body and mind started and stopped, then there would be four different problems, and I don't remember what they are. There are four different problems, but if you wanted to just summarize them, DUNA, the four, okay?

DUNA, that his starting and stopping would have to be real, real starting and stopping. What's that mean with the husband in the kitchen? Explain the husband in the kitchen.

You want to explain the husband in the kitchen? There is a wife who doesn't work for work, but several days before she was shouting at her kids, she has forgotten. And she's very happy, but she also feels stupid.

And who is guilty? Yeah, who's ... he yelled at her when she opened the door, but she didn't say anything yet.

She couldn't be responsible for the situation. We always think like that. But actually, there are two husbands in the kitchen.

There's one husband who is ... she didn't do anything. She just came, entered the room and was shouting.

And another one, she did something. She was yelling at her kids, and there was a seed planted this time, and then the seed broke, and she sees somebody shouting at her again. And this is how we replant seeds and continue our samsara.

So she yelled at her kids last week. She heard herself. That plants karma.

That plants karma in the mom's mind. Then a few days later, she came home, and she opened the door, and the husband said, you are stupid, and she didn't say anything yet. So did she cause it or not?

But she thinks I didn't do anything. She doesn't remember she yelled at her kids, and she doesn't understand about karma. So it looks like the husband just yelled at her.

That husband who yelled at her for no reason, and she didn't plant the seed, is called real. Dendu. That's what I'm trying to say.

He's supposed to be real. He's a real husband. And that doesn't ...

no such thing. No such thing. Why?

There doesn't exist a husband who does anything to you that's not your fault. You plant everything about your life. You plant everything in your life.

If the husband calls you stupid, it's because you said something to your wife. So the husband who just calls you stupid for no reason, in Buddhism, is called real. Real husband.

And he doesn't exist. And the non-existence of the real husband is called emptiness. Cool.

Yeah. Emptiness. Yeah.

That's real emptiness. Okay? There's no husband in the kitchen who's real.

Why?

[Speaker 2]
Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
There's no husband in the kitchen who didn't come from what you did to your kids last week. Okay? That's cool.

That's the real meaning of cool. And it's good to take it to the kitchen. Why?

Because it's practical. That's what Buddhism is supposed to be used in the kitchen, not the temple. Okay?

Or at your work. Buddhism is supposed to help you in your life. It's not for the translator class.

It's for when you go home. You guys go home and start fighting, just remember. Okay?

They never fight, but ... I think that's true. Yeah.

So, if Nick was his body and mind, then his body and mind changes moment to moment. Buddha said, your body and mind change from moment to moment. Okay?

Then, if that changing was real, come from its own side, okay? SONG BA'I PHYIR When you take a birth, SKYE BA LAM PA'I TSE, NGOR RGYUD DU MI RUNG BA Nothing could change. Nick would come out full size.

He just got sonogrammed on his butt, baby, last night? You want to show the picture? Where's the picture?

We had an agreement. If he has a twin, he would give one to me. But no twin.

I got the bad news.

[Speaker 2]
I got the bad news. Let's see. Yeah, it's a girl.

[Speaker 1]
It's a lady. Yay! She has a nice nose.

She's translating already. That's her hand. That's her hand?

On top?

[Speaker 2]
I don't understand this one. Wow!

[Speaker 1]
Oh, there's an ear. She's got ears. But will she listen to you?

Okay, so if she was her body and mind, she couldn't get bigger. She wouldn't grow bigger because the growing would be real. And that's the same as the husband in the kitchen.

The growing bigger would be real, but it's not real. If she grows, it's coming from you. If you see her grow, it's coming from you.

You helped other people's children in the past. He helped a lot of people in the refugee camp. So I think the baby's going to be strong.

Okay, yeah, okay. Lor Gyur Tu Mi Rung Wa means... Oh, I'm sorry.

I've got to take the plane back. Lor Gyur Tu Mi Rung Wa means couldn't change. As she took birth, as she took her birth, nothing could change.

She couldn't get bigger. Her ears couldn't get... Nothing could happen.

Okay, Mi Rung Wa. And I'm not sure about this, okay? I'm not sure it shouldn't be male.

Okay, we have to check more carvings. We have to look at more carvings. I think it says she would be all six kinds of birth at the same time.

Okay. And I think that yours may be correct. Shi Tun Pa means one thing which is more than one thing, right?

So she would be a combination of all six kinds of birth, since she couldn't change if her starting and stopping existed from their own side. So I don't understand this part. We've got to think about it.

There would have to exist one thing which was all six kinds of birth. I guess it means... It might mean that we all go through six kinds of birth.

We all be animals. We all be spirits. In many lifetimes, if she never changed, and since she does go through many kinds of birth, they would all have to exist at the same time.

She would have to be six kinds. She'd have to be an animal, a spirit, a human, a hell being, and a preta at the same time. All at the same time.

Because she goes through those changes. She will go through those changes, okay? So I'm going to...

I'm going to go with the Upa. She would have to be all her possible future births at the same time. Something like that?

Okay, something like that. If she didn't change. If her changing was true.

Real. Okay? Okay?

You ready? Here we go. Please read.

[Speaker 2]
Okay. yen kar Yeah, good.

[Speaker 1]
dak nipa ni means, let's examine what would be the case if Nick was not his body and mind. So suppose Nick is not his body and mind, okay? den de dak te den den, self of Nick.

Nick as a person. If he, relative to his body and mind, phunpo ten du, right? Okay?

He was separate. Okay. If you propose that, then we say, ma dru, no, he's not separate from his body and mind, right?

That's the second choice. I'll give you the two choices. Okay, ready?

Is Nick the same as his body and mind without seeds? Or is he separate from his body and mind without seeds? That's the argument here, okay?

I'll say it again. Is Nick his body and mind without any karma? Or is Nick his body and mind, not his body and mind, without any karma?

And is the husband in the kitchen the same as his body and mind without the wife doing anything? Or is he separate from his body and mind without the wife doing anything? And we have to say, when you say without the wife doing anything, already there's no husband.

Not possible. No possible husband. She cannot meet her husband unless she did some karma.

And if there's a husband that exists without her karma, he is emptiness. That's cool. No such thing.

Therefore, it's insane, it's crazy to get angry at a husband. Okay? Because he don't exist.

The one you're angry at doesn't exist. Okay. Husband can get angry at wife.

That's okay. We accept that. Just kidding.

Okay. All right. So here we go.

But Nick cannot be separate from his body and mind. Just separate Nick without body and mind. Okay?

Because detar drup na, if he did exist, phunpo lat tu me su gang. Yeah, good. If Nick was totally separate from his body and mind, then he wouldn't have to depend on his body and mind.

He'd be separate. Okay? And if that existed, then there would ...

Now, there's some new words here for you. Okay? There doesn't exist ...

There would have to be, gupa, okay? There would have to be a Nick, ye, who existed, who was yen karwa. Yen karwa means totally independent of.

Yen karwa means separate and independent. There would have to be a Nick that was ... And lok su means separate.

Okay? Off to the side. Okay?

Like, over there. Lok su. Who was totally separate from his body and mind.

Whereas ... Okay? Whereas ...

This lay is disjunctive. Whereas, there is no such thing. There is no Nick who's totally separate from his body and mind.

Okay? Got it? Without seeds.

You have to keep adding without seeds. RANG BZHIN GYIS. RANG BZHIN GYIS.

And last class, we had a long explanation of why RANG BZHIN GYIS was the opposite of DGOS PA. DGOS NAS DGOS PA. Either it exists automatically, or it exists independent.

But there's only two choices. Okay? If it's RANG BZHIN GYIS, it cannot exist dependently.

Okay? Not possible. Because it means dependent on your past karma.

There is no husband who doesn't depend on your past karma. Not possible. Impossible.

Okay? And he says here, a separate Nick, just totally out there, separate Nick. YEN KAR BA.

Say YEN KAR BA. And LOGS SU YOD PA. Almost synonyms.

YEN KAR BA means totally disconnected. And LOGS SU YOD PA means exist over there. Okay?

Don't exist. Impossible. Okay?

Now, this had two parts to it. What two parts? I don't know.

Let's see. Please read.

[Speaker 2]
DANG PO DER THAL DER THAL? RANG BZHIN GYIS DUG NA BZHIN LA RAGS MA LAS PAR DUG DGOS PA'I CHOS This should be BZHIN, I think.

[Speaker 1]
Then it's supposed to be BZHIN? I think this is BZHIN. But could it be something else besides?

It could. But then it wouldn't say instrumental. Then the instrumental doesn't make any sense.

Doesn't make any sense? Buy some stuff or buy some other? No?

No. Check your carving, okay? But it's got to be BZHIN.

It has to be BZHIN. It has to be carved wrong. And these manuscripts were all destroyed during the Cultural Revolution.

All burned. All of them burned. We found a copy in Russia.

We spent 14 years in Russia finding these copies in the National Library. And these copies are very, very bad. They're very old.

So there's a lot of problems with the carving. Okay. Is this a Russian manuscript?

Say again? Is this one from St. Petersburg? Yeah.

Well, we found the complete set in Russia. Yeah. It was burned in the Cultural Revolution.

Okay, alright. Dumbledore Tao. RANG BZHIN GYI DRUB NA If Nick exists, true, which means what?

Without seeds. She did not yell at her kids last week. And if the husband is yelling in the kitchen this week, and she didn't do anything last week, okay, then it's impossible that there's any dependence going on.

Dependent origination. Impossible. GZHAN LA RAG LAS PA MA LAS PA The husband would have to exist without relying on anything.

Okay. If he's true, if he's real, if he's yelling without ... You didn't do anything.

Then he cannot rely on something else, meaning he cannot rely on what you did last week. You yelled at your kids. Okay.

If the husband is real, if he's not emptiness, it means you couldn't have yelled at your kids last week. Okay? Alright.

[Speaker 2]
So, isn't that sort of ... Because the GZHAN ...

[Speaker 1]
I'm sorry, what? Because it said GZHAN LA RAG LAS PA Yeah, I think the typist mistook this GZHAN for this GZHAN. Okay.

You ... I'll bet you a hundred dollars, if anyone wants to bet me. I'll bet you, every time it says KIS DRUB in this text, it says GZHAN before it.

Who wants to bet? A hundred dollars. Every time.

No, I'm just saying, let's do a ... Because we have input, because we have digital input. Let's check.

What the heck? Okay, ready? We'll start from the beginning.

That's TSE NI KIS DRUB. RANG BZHIN. One for me.

Who's betting, by the way? No, I'm just saying, between GZHAN and BZHIN. Two.

I got two votes.

[Speaker 2]
Three.

[Speaker 1]
I got three votes. Four. I got four votes.

And that's us. Okay? Four to zero.

Okay? Because it's digital. Let's look into the future.

BZHIN. I got five. Six.

Seven. Eight. Nine.

Ten. Eleven. Who's paying?

So, don't tell me it was RANG BZHIN. Okay? Because we have the digital, we can check.

We can check. Okay? Don't bet again.

And by the way, this is, this is just experience. This is many years of translating. You can't really translate until you've been doing it for 20 years.

Okay? That's why I chose young people. Oh, right.

You're right. Okay, but anyway, here's that theme. He's coming back to his theme.

If something depends on our karma, it cannot be real. Real means, I didn't do anything and my husband's yelling at me. That's real.

In Buddhism, that's real. And there is no such thing. Nothing happens, ever, unless you did something before yourself.

Everything's your fault. Trump is your fault. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't believe the meh-meh should be repeated. Okay? I think it's a carving mistake.

De na, therefore, den dray dak, a nick who's independent from his body and mind, meh, nyam du sammo. You should think to yourself, no one will. But meh-meh makes it positive.

So, it's a carving mistake. I think it's a carving mistake. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So, there is no such nick who doesn't depend on his body and mind, really.

You have to say, really. Okay? Because the pen does depend on the parts of the pen, but only because of the karma that you collected last week.

Okay? I would say, den dray dak, karma, meh, nyam du sammo. There's no such self, meaning, a self which doesn't depend on its body and mind.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah, this says there's no such no self, which is wrong.

There is a no self. There's no self, but there's not no, no self. There is a no self.

What? A nick who's independent of his body and mind. So, if you say there's no no self, it means there is.

So, it has to be a carving mistake.

[Speaker 2]
But that type thing? Right. But if things were like that, then there would be.

[Speaker 1]
I mean, you could say it's not that kind of no self, but that's not the point. Yeah.

[Speaker 2]
If there were that kind of a lack of a self, then there would be.

[Speaker 1]
No, this is not an if. This is therefore. This is therefore.

It's not if.

[Speaker 2]
Yeah. Yeah.

[Speaker 1]
I stopped here. Five. What's the date today?

2019. 2019. All right.

Have a nice pee-pee, and then Mr. Yamaguchi is going to teach us how to be better translators. And there was a nice video I saw. He did an ad for BMW.

He did a very nice. He does. He's a famous personality in Japan, and there's a nice video.

Maybe you can find it. Maybe you could project it. So have a good break, and then come back, and we're going to have a teaching.

Thank you. NI GYE BA RIG SNA GSON NAM YOD SHED Kat-gog GING GSON NAM YOD SHED ME CHUNG RE DGANG DRAG SNAR NI TOK PAR CHOD So Nick, can you make sure Mr. Yamasaki's can't project on the screen? Knox Thank you.